Which Stats Are Better ?

[WoobieZarz]

This is ****ing funny as!!

Great read for me every morning, and night....

 

[chadjaja]

dont see how mj didnt have class.. he busted up steve kerr pretty well at training too, so what?

I think he is refering to his off court adventures with women and gambling that was covered up by the NBA and the Jordan loving media

 

[white_chocolate_55]

I think this argument has gotten out of hand...but....while you are naming all the shitty players look at the good ones he had...pippen, rodman, grant, etc etc.

1991

pippen/grant/paxson

1992

pippen/grant/paxson

1993

pippen/grant/armstrong - paxson bench player

1996

pippen/rodman/kukoc

1997

pippen/rodman/kukoc/brian williams?

1998

pippen/rodman/kukoc


he's had 3 or 4 good players on his side


lebron

marshall/hughes/big z/gooden

and if you say any of them are shit.. then tell me, was longley better than Z? was kukoc better than say gooden/hughes combined? damon jones would = steve kerr.. you have eric snow who is pretty solid, you now have ronald murray who can play, and some young talent in jackson/varejeo..

whats the excuse?

 

[jimmy jackson]

lol

That is an amazing list you just posted. Thanks for strengthening my argument!

 

[white_chocolate_55]

lol

That is an amazing list you just posted. Thanks for strengthening my argument!

are you all there? you seem to be rating his team mates more than jordan himself... jesus christ..

 

[white_chocolate_55]

I think this argument has gotten out of hand...but....while you are naming all the shitty players look at the good ones he had...pippen, rodman, grant, etc etc.

btw, whos the etc.. etc.. your talking about?

brian williams = the guy who played 9 games for the season + his playoff games? wow this guy made a huge impact for a team already venturing into 60+ wins

steve kerr = a 3 point shooter.. nothing else..

ron harper = a defensive player that is well past his prime

bill wennington = i see your point

jud buechler = see bill wennington

dickey simpkins = rodmans backup?

robert parish = this guy was lucky to stand up let alone play at the time

randy brown = unlucky not to be an allstar

jason caffey = i liked this guy, but wasnt crash hot.. scott williams like.. except scott played in playoff games

longley = was always blasted for some reason or another..

armstrong = only came good in 1993 ... his 1992 season wasnt half bad either

 

[jimmy jackson]

Pippen and Rodman are HOFs.

Z has nothing on Grant. Please.

Hughes is an established bum. He is no better than Jason Caffey (although Caffey worked harder).

 

[jimmy jackson]

ron harper = a defensive player that is well past his prime

lol

look up his stats you goose. He made the sacrifice to join ChiTown. Was a legit scorer in his own right.

 

[jimmy jackson]

You're starting to make me angry. IN COME THE BOYS

 

[Benny J]

Jees Choc...settle down a bit mate. Just let it go.

Jordan is the best their ever has been (IMO)....and i believe that in the future there will be someone deemed better just like Wilt before him. At this stage it looks like it might be LBJ

But it also goes back to the arguement....it is very difficult to compare eras, especially when it comes to sport.

 

[white_chocolate_55]

so right now rodmans a hof ? mind showing me where it says that?

hughes an established bum? last season i bet you wouldnt have said that.

still a guy that will give you 10 and 4 perhaps?

and z, whats wrong with

Big Z (Career)
14.8ppg, 7.7rpg

2 asg appearances

Horace Grant (Career)
11.2 ppg, 8.1 rpg
1 asg appearance

 

[white_chocolate_55]

ron harper = a defensive player that is well past his prime

lol

look up his stats you goose. He made the sacrifice to join ChiTown. Was a legit scorer in his own right.

ohhh ok... cos in 1994-1995 his 6.9 ppg where sacrificed for who? pete myers?

 

[white_chocolate_55]

Jees Choc...settle down a bit mate. Just let it go.

Jordan is the best their ever has been (IMO)....and i believe that in the future there will be someone deemed better just like Wilt before him. At this stage it looks like it might be LBJ

But it also goes back to the arguement....it is very difficult to compare eras, especially when it comes to sport.

mate this is as funny for me as it is for you... im not taking it personal, hope your not too.. its quite funny.. i just think its crazy seeing everyone mention the next michael jordan..

 

[Benny J]

mate this is as funny for me as it is for you... im not taking it personal, hope your not too.. its quite funny.. i just think its crazy seeing everyone mention the next michael jordan..

Nah its all cool...it did sound like you were getting a bit heated there for a while though

 

[white_chocolate_55]

Nah its all cool...it did sound like you were getting a bit heated there for a while though

no no its all good.. not something anyone should be pissed off at each other at.. we all have our own opinions and points, and we're all prob just laughing at each others answers.. its all good

 

[jimmy jackson]

Mate, you haven't made sense in a good 10 pages.

Dennis Rodman will make the HOF.

Ron Harper could have averaged +20 PPG on another team.

Horace Grant is one of the most underrated players in the history of the NBA.

I like how you counted his entire career stats and left out the fact that he was more around 14 PPG 10.5 Rebounds (4 offensive) 1.5 blocks (and many altered shots) and shot 53% in his Chicago days.

How bout I look at just MJ's Washington days when considering his career

Before joining Chicago... Ron Harper's numbers (clearly illustrating my point that he sacrificed personal glory for team success and was a legit scorer in his own right):

86-87 CLE 82 82 37.4 .455 .213 .684 2.10 2.70 4.80 4.8 2.55 1.02 4.21 3.00 22.9
87-88 CLE 57 52 32.1 .464 .150 .705 1.10 2.80 3.90 4.9 2.14 .91 2.77 2.80 15.4
88-89 CLE 82 82 34.8 .511 .250 .751 1.50 3.50 5.00 5.3 2.26 .90 2.80 2.70 18.6
89-90 LAC 28 28 39.5 .481 .283 .795 2.00 3.70 5.60 4.8 2.39 1.14 2.93 2.90 23.0
89-90 CLE 7 7 37.4 .442 .200 .756 2.70 4.10 6.90 7.0 2.00 1.29 2.57 3.60 22.0
90-91 LAC 39 34 35.5 .391 .324 .668 1.50 3.30 4.80 5.4 1.69 .90 3.31 2.80 19.6
91-92 LAC 82 82 38.3 .440 .303 .736 1.50 4.00 5.50 5.1 1.85 .88 3.07 2.40 18.2
92-93 LAC 80 77 37.1 .451 .280 .769 1.50 3.90 5.30 4.5 2.21 .91 2.78 2.70 18.0
93-94 LAC 75 75 38.1 .426 .301 .715 1.70 4.40 6.10 4.6 1.92 .72 3.23 2.20 20.1

 

[jimmy jackson]

Your futile attempts to throw numbers at me crack me up.

Please tell me that you don't think Rodman will not make the HOF.

This will unleash new levels of annoyance.

 

[jimmy jackson]

DVS - quit mediating. If you think this is a heated argument, then crikeys... you must come from the Kenyon Martin school of strength...

Yahoo today

Denver played the second half without Kenyon Martin, who has been troubled by knee and leg problems for much of the season and recently missed four games. He appeared to be near tears while holding his left leg during a first-half timeout.

 

[white_chocolate_55]

Mate, you haven't made sense in a good 10 pages.

Dennis Rodman will make the HOF.

Ron Harper could have averaged +20 PPG on another team.

Horace Grant is one of the most underrated players in the history of the NBA.

I like how you counted his entire career stats and left out the fact that he was more around 14 PPG 10.5 Rebounds (4 offensive) 1.5 blocks (and many altered shots) and shot 53% in his Chicago days.

How bout I look at just MJ's Washington days when considering his career

Before joining Chicago... Ron Harper's numbers (clearly illustrating my point that he sacrificed personal glory for team success and was a legit scorer in his own right):

86-87 CLE 82 82 37.4 .455 .213 .684 2.10 2.70 4.80 4.8 2.55 1.02 4.21 3.00 22.9
87-88 CLE 57 52 32.1 .464 .150 .705 1.10 2.80 3.90 4.9 2.14 .91 2.77 2.80 15.4
88-89 CLE 82 82 34.8 .511 .250 .751 1.50 3.50 5.00 5.3 2.26 .90 2.80 2.70 18.6
89-90 LAC 28 28 39.5 .481 .283 .795 2.00 3.70 5.60 4.8 2.39 1.14 2.93 2.90 23.0
89-90 CLE 7 7 37.4 .442 .200 .756 2.70 4.10 6.90 7.0 2.00 1.29 2.57 3.60 22.0
90-91 LAC 39 34 35.5 .391 .324 .668 1.50 3.30 4.80 5.4 1.69 .90 3.31 2.80 19.6
91-92 LAC 82 82 38.3 .440 .303 .736 1.50 4.00 5.50 5.1 1.85 .88 3.07 2.40 18.2
92-93 LAC 80 77 37.1 .451 .280 .769 1.50 3.90 5.30 4.5 2.21 .91 2.78 2.70 18.0
93-94 LAC 75 75 38.1 .426 .301 .715 1.70 4.40 6.10 4.6 1.92 .72 3.23 2.20 20.1

yes.. he clearly gave up his spot as a sg for pete myers.. well done ronny, way to give up a good career.. i mean we shouldnt throw in the surgery you had on your knee/knees or anything like that.. or you back problems.. i mean that shouldnt slow you down should it?

and yes horace, deeply under rated .. uhuh.. cos he was so poorly done by.. who said he was under rated? surely not me, or anyone that knows about horaces career.. even in la he was truely rated..

dude.. you and your tatoo twins should prob go watch a few old school games, and perhaps take some notes about some of the players... in particular mj

 

[white_chocolate_55]

Your futile attempts to throw numbers at me crack me up.

Please tell me that you don't think Rodman will not make the HOF.

This will unleash new levels of annoyance.

numbers? i havent started to throw numbers at you yet...

tell me when you think rodman will join the hof?