ozballer23
#1 J.R. Smith Collector
That's my point. At no point and time did UD take an ordinary card and slap on PMG on it. The card was designed and manufactured solely for that set.
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That's my point. At no point and time did UD take an ordinary card and slap on PMG on it. The card was designed and manufactured solely for that set.
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They can copy past sets in my book all they want.... as long as they include new players, then it's all good. Sure some will always be the same, there are so many greats in basketball history that people care about. But then you smack a player like Lebron in the mix and BAM!!! I could understand the arguement if Lebron was in the 90's set....... not to mention a lot of members from the NBA 50 Greatest! You got Jimmer.... plus a few that probably never had a PMG before. There are many sets that look the same, and some look very similar... like LL cards from Exquisite. To me, they mostly look the same, with exceptions of course, such as my favorite year for LL which was 09-10, they look different. If a set's design works and looks good, then why chance it? The only real change you can make, which is the biggest change imo, is add mostly players that never had one before. But then again, collectors won't buy players that had them before? Sure they will! They will want to match them up, I would think. I would, if I liked a particular player that I wanted to collect. Can you imagine if they make them some day to include players like Durant, Dirk, Rose, and all of the great ones. But i'm talking about Retro, not the Skybox...
ozballer23
#1 J.R. Smith Collector
They can copy past sets in my book all they want.... as long as they include new players, then it's all good. Sure some will always be the same, there are so many greats in basketball history that people care about. But then you smack a player like Lebron in the mix and BAM!!! I could understand the arguement if Lebron was in the 90's set....... not to mention a lot of members from the NBA 50 Greatest! You got Jimmer.... plus a few that probably never had a PMG before. There are many sets that look the same, and some look very similar... like LL cards from Exquisite. To me, they mostly look the same, with exceptions of course, such as my favorite year for LL which was 09-10, they look different. If a set's design works and looks good, then why chance it? The only real change you can make, which is the biggest change imo, is add mostly players that never had one before. But then again, collectors won't buy players that had them before? Sure they will! They will want to match them up, I would think. I would, if I liked a particular player that I wanted to collect. Can you imagine if they make them some day to include players like Durant, Dirk, Rose, and all of the great ones. But i'm talking about Retro, not the Skybox...
I thought the LL from that set was base on a previous set.
hegotgame15
90's MJ collector.
Your calling a Fleer retro a REAL PMG???You can take any card and smack the words "Precious Metal Gems" on it, but doesn't make it a PMG.... if it don't look like a PMG, smell like a PMG, then chances are it's NOT a PMG....
What you see in Fleer Retro ARE pmg's!
I guess you have never seen a REAL PMG from the 90's...
The retro's are a cheap knock off of the REAL 90's PMG's....
Just about every thing you type about retro contradicts itself.
How can you LOVE a product that is "trying" to copy the exact era you hate?
That simply makes no sense to me.
I would have been all over this product, but the simple fact that every insert is a cheap knock-off of the original's put me off...
I would have loved to get all the new cards in college uniforms to put next the the originals i have,Noyz Boyz,Big men on court,Ultra stars,Court masters...etc
BUT, when you have the originals and put them next to the retro stuff, they are not even close to the color, texture and feel...
Why are the retro cards not embossed? not etched? not made from the same materials? not cut and centered better?
"Remember, it's not the quantity, it's the quality..." Another contradiction!!!!!!
Rare23Air83
Banned User
The sheer amount of contradiction and hypocrisy is unreal.
Let me get this straight. It's ok for you to voice your own opinion about how you think the ENTIRE 90's Jordan market is fake and manipulated but wrong for me to bring up a few shilled Retro auctions? How is that fair? You've been preaching on and on for years now how the entire 90's Jordan market is a scam. You took a step further and badmouthed my name and business ethics everywhere just because you didn't like the cards I collected and sold. With zero proof to back up your false accusations. You STILL do! That's what you've been doing to me since the very first time I stepped into BO. Now I point out some obvious re-listed and shilled Retro auctions in a Retro thread and you're telling me there's no need to spread the hate for the product? Come on bro... at least I bring proof and solid evidence to show people. And I never once claimed "ALL" Retro sales are fake. I never use the word ALL or NEVER because that in itself is usually a lie. You obviously do that very well.
Also, I don't hate or feel "threatened" by the retros. I've voiced out that this product is great for the hobby as it's making INSERTS the hottest hits. Taking a step away from the usual Auto Patch cards which have over-saturated the market for years now. Also, 90's collectors are loving the buzz too. It's bringing that much more attention, demand and value to the originals. And do you not think I can pick up a Retro PMG Red or Blue if I wanted to? I have the funds to hit any one of those BIN listing right now. So you are very wrong when you claim I am jealous or feel threatened by the Retros. That is just absurd. High End 90's collectors spend tens of thousands of dollars on a single card. These Retro's are a bargain in comparison.
And I thought you were a true collector? You're using a movie remake as an analogy? Terrible. If you're a true knowledgeable collector, you will know that when it comes to collectibles of ANY sort, it's the ORIGINALS and 1st PRINTS that are worth the most and most sought after. It's never the remakes, re-prints, mimics, etc. So you can have your own personal preference LIKING the newer stuff, but when it comes to how rare, valuable, sought after and coveted they are... you can never beat the originals almost always. Just use your own 1948 Bowman example. There have been plenty of remakes like you said correct? Have ANY of them been worth or sought after more than the originals? Exactly.
I just can't get over the fact that you have hated Precious Metal Gems all your life and put them down but in LOVE with the Retro PMG's because they're not from the 90's and you "supposedly" own a few cases. You do know they look almost IDENTICAL to the originals? But you still claim the originals are ugly and weak and not even worth $500 bucks for the Jordan. On the other hand, these Retro PMG's are $20k+ cards according to you because they're newer and somehow look way better. My Good Lord!
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Boy do I get quotted a lot! 
I actually answered this on page # 20 in this thread, the second post I made to the top....
I was actually at the National Convetion this year and saw many PMG's from the 90's and I couldn't believe my eyes.... they sucked! I don't say that to be mean, but I was so shocked because I have heard so much hype about these, so when I saw tons and tons of them at the show, it couldn't believe how plain and boring they looked. Not sure why these Retro's look better, but they do! Hold both versions in your hands and I bet you will see the difference! Or maybe the old ones are your taste, and the new ones are mine!
Can that really be!? But one thing is for sure though, you will NOT see Lebron in the "originals". Nor will you see all the members of the NBA's 50 Greatest list, or at least not as many as in the Retro. Then you have Jimmer who I think has a future in the NBA. At the end of the day, we're in 2012 with Lebron, and the "originals" were back then with those players............ imo, you gotta like a player to actually collect him, no? So you can't really saw A is better than B, and vise versa. You gotta like the player on the card. Sure Babe Ruth was great, and Bill Russell was great, but I don't collect them die hard. The NBA is worldwide these days, as the NBA has done a great job marketing..... so it = more collectors!! Who want cards from today, not yesterday... for the most part.
As far as feeling cards? i'm not one to feel cards........... lol I actually didn't even put a finger print on my PMG's before I put them in magnetic holders. I just held it carefully from the edges and put it right in, so I really couldn't care less about the feel, nor do I care to test them, and nor do I think it matters either way. I won't be opened cases, specially graded cases just to touch and sleep with my cards No hard intended.
I like the newer ones better, that's the end of that. I'm sure we can move on.... everybody has their taste in cards. You like the old ones better, AWESOME!!! Congrats!! You must like the players back then..... I do too like the players from back then, but i'd rather collect current players. Now if we're talking GU and autos, then I like my HOFers/NBA 50 Greats, for the most part..... I started to collect modern GU/autos when the Silhouettes came out. Another set I love....... We all like different hings, and that's great.
Let's see if I can get quotted another 20 times now
I actually answered this on page # 20 in this thread, the second post I made to the top....
I was actually at the National Convetion this year and saw many PMG's from the 90's and I couldn't believe my eyes.... they sucked! I don't say that to be mean, but I was so shocked because I have heard so much hype about these, so when I saw tons and tons of them at the show, it couldn't believe how plain and boring they looked. Not sure why these Retro's look better, but they do! Hold both versions in your hands and I bet you will see the difference! Or maybe the old ones are your taste, and the new ones are mine!
Can that really be!? But one thing is for sure though, you will NOT see Lebron in the "originals". Nor will you see all the members of the NBA's 50 Greatest list, or at least not as many as in the Retro. Then you have Jimmer who I think has a future in the NBA. At the end of the day, we're in 2012 with Lebron, and the "originals" were back then with those players............ imo, you gotta like a player to actually collect him, no? So you can't really saw A is better than B, and vise versa. You gotta like the player on the card. Sure Babe Ruth was great, and Bill Russell was great, but I don't collect them die hard. The NBA is worldwide these days, as the NBA has done a great job marketing..... so it = more collectors!! Who want cards from today, not yesterday... for the most part.As far as feeling cards? i'm not one to feel cards........... lol I actually didn't even put a finger print on my PMG's before I put them in magnetic holders. I just held it carefully from the edges and put it right in, so I really couldn't care less about the feel, nor do I care to test them, and nor do I think it matters either way. I won't be opened cases, specially graded cases just to touch and sleep with my cards
No hard intended. I like the newer ones better, that's the end of that. I'm sure we can move on.... everybody has their taste in cards. You like the old ones better, AWESOME!!! Congrats!! You must like the players back then..... I do too like the players from back then, but i'd rather collect current players. Now if we're talking GU and autos, then I like my HOFers/NBA 50 Greats, for the most part..... I started to collect modern GU/autos when the Silhouettes came out. Another set I love....... We all like different hings, and that's great.
Let's see if I can get quotted another 20 times now
Rare23Air83
Banned User
You can take any card and smack the words "Precious Metal Gems" on it, but doesn't make it a PMG.... if it don't look like a PMG, smell like a PMG, then chances are it's NOT a PMG....
What you see in Fleer Retro ARE pmg's!
Wait wait... you HATE how PMG's look. That's what you've been saying for years now. You're the one who couldn't understand how an ugly looking insert like Precious Metal Gems can sell for $10k dollars. Now you're saying the Retro PMG's are true PMG's and worth a lot because they are the closest thing to the originals? They look, smell and feel like original PMG's so you consider these the real deal? How can you still hate and think the originals are worthless and believe the remakes are a trillion times better and actually worth the money these shilled auctions ended at? Wow.
Just saying. You turn a blind eye on shilled Retro PMG auctions that are obvious to anyone, but yell fraud and fake on a legit legendary 90's insert selling for over $18k with proof all around the sale. Class Act!
GarnettFan4Life
OZCT Supporter
Lolololol
Rare23Air83
Banned User
The ORIGINAL 90's PMG's are ETCHED Holo-Foils. Easily chipped and fragile.
The Retro PMG's are much like Black Diamond cards. Non-Etched and don't chip like the originals do. They have a very different feel when you see them side by side. It almost feels like there's a coat of gloss over the Retro PMG's whereas the originals were pure holo-foils in raw form.
GarnettFan4Life
OZCT Supporter
I haven't had a 90's one in hand but I can say I freakin love my KG 08-09 one and hope to get a Green one day. Also hope to get a Retro PMG to check them out in person too. But to say the Lebron PMG is not actually a PMG is laugh out loud smfh batshit insane.
hegotgame15
90's MJ collector.
I have seen them both side by side in person, because the retro aren't etched, the surface dosen't have the same eye appeal.
BUT!!!! Don't get me wrong the retro PMG's DO look ok,probably the best looking cards from retro, just not as good as the originals!
hegotgame15
90's MJ collector.
Carefull! if you say "feel" some moron might take that to be your rubbing the card between your ass cheeks checking the surface!
ozballer23
#1 J.R. Smith Collector
Haha that's what I said to the wife too lol
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