Cherry and OzCardTrader present "Oz Group Breaks"
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lilreddevil
KD35
Guess his UserID suited his personality LOL
Having known both Grayson and Renee for a few years now, I'd like to congratulate them both on being chosen by Graham and the OZCT team to run exclusive group breaks. Cherry has always been transparent on how it's operated it's business, has been always run professionally and have always settled any dispute (not that there's been any of note) in favour of the customer.
If Graham and the Mods would like any security I'm more than happy to put my hand up, however i suspect that they won't want any as they would've thought long and hard about this decision before making it......and they've done a bloody good job of running this forum for so long, doubt they'd jeopardise all their good work they've done over the years.
Do not get me wrong Ang, my question re the security deposit was not to question Grayson & Renee's business sense nor to question how the mods run this forum, it had the interests of other members at heart.
People can fall on hard times and things can turn pear shaped, as I said it happened to a few members on here who we're thought rather highly of and it left others out of pocket.
cherrycollectables
OZCT Supporter
No offence taken Garth! I've been on the wrong end of a number of such 'hard times' to the tune of well over $4k. Only recently a 'Turtle' took me for $500.
Thanks Ang, and as you say, there won't be a need to - but thank you anyway.
Ultimately, as a legitimate business we have many levels of legislation to answer to and any aggrieved person has many outlets by which to reach us. However, we won't last in this niche community if we don't look after the customer.
Thanks Ang, and as you say, there won't be a need to - but thank you anyway.
Ultimately, as a legitimate business we have many levels of legislation to answer to and any aggrieved person has many outlets by which to reach us. However, we won't last in this niche community if we don't look after the customer.
Grayson, thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions as I am sure they were questions that other members had but may have been "too afraid" to ask. Mods, congrats for finally allowing this service to be available through OZCARDS.
If people want to take part in group breaks they will. If there are no reputable local options they will take part in US based breaks. If live group breaks are threatening stores, that means collectors must really like live group breaks. So the stores need to adapt. Sounds a bit like Gerry Harvey (Harvey Norman) trying to tell people that shopping online is bad because it harms local business (despite the online stores being mostly local). Adapt or die. It wouldn't be difficult at all for a card shop to organise their own group breaks if they are having trouble selling stock. The answer is to listen to the market and adapt accordingly, not ban everything that is new and different to protect your old business model.
Just my 2 cents worth.
And as far as asking for insurance goes, Cherry has just as much to lose as anyone else (actually more). He has to buy the stock!
Billyhoyle
Im Not Juan Garcia
What I was referring to mainly was case shares rather than group breaks. What was happening was people were buying from dacw or the like, paying no gst etc. Which damages the actual stores.
Ok well this is the same argument as the harvey norman one then. His gripe was that people are avoiding gst by purchasing online so his business was suffering. The solution is to start selling online because that's what people want. In this case the solution is to offer group breaks or case shares, or any other way to make the hobby more feasible for australian collectors. Card shops in Australia should see this as an opportunity rather than a hinderance because it generally grows the hobby, and there's nothing stopping a card shop from doing a group break or case share for its customers. The advantage local shops will always have is giving people what they want immediately (no postage time). If a card shop down the road from me was doing group breaks and charging $60 a spot, but I could go online and get it for $50 a spot from USA, i'd get in the car and go down the road for the extra $10. Maybe that's just me.
Glad to hear that some changes are coming regarding breaks, would be nice to participate in some local ones without always buying into OS breaks. I'm just not sure on the whole "awarded exclusivity" side of it though ? Were others reputable card shops invited or asked ? Is Cherry actually a physical shop with all the accompanying overheads that goes along with that, or are they purely online as they don't seem to have a street address on their web page ? If part of the intent is to help support the Local Card Shops, I'm a little surprised a (mostly) online seller was chosen ?? 
Anyway, I don't have a dog in the fight, so don't greatly care either way who does them - it's up to the powers of OCT in the end and it's a good thing that new things are being tried.
Anyway, I don't have a dog in the fight, so don't greatly care either way who does them - it's up to the powers of OCT in the end and it's a good thing that new things are being tried.
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Here is my take.....
This site is Graham's.... not a democracy. Therefore he has the right to decide on/appoint whoever he chooses as an exclusive group breaks host. He has spent years of his time building this site up to what it is now, and had ALWAYS asked for input on changes that he makes around here. If he chooses to appoint Grayson as the exclusive GB host, then there are 2 ways you can take that:
1 - Wonder why no one else can do them
2 - Be happy that there are now SOME GBs on here
To me, it doesn't matter why Cherry is appointed, it doesn't matter if it is because Grayson is paying Graham secretly under the table
because at the end of the day, it is completely his choice!
The ONLY reason why group breaks are offered on Blowout cards is because the owners are a card shop! If they weren't selling a case everytime they had an active group break, there is no way in hell they would go through the headache of offering GBs at all!
In saying this, I too would be more than happy to see someone trustworthy like Garth to be a GB host as well, but then comes the issue of "why not drob50" or "why not GF4L" etc.
My hope is that this is the start of a big increase in a 'culture' of group breaks in Aus which will no doubt lead to a bigger demand, and in turn, more GB hosts!
GL with it all Grayson!
This site is Graham's.... not a democracy. Therefore he has the right to decide on/appoint whoever he chooses as an exclusive group breaks host. He has spent years of his time building this site up to what it is now, and had ALWAYS asked for input on changes that he makes around here. If he chooses to appoint Grayson as the exclusive GB host, then there are 2 ways you can take that:
1 - Wonder why no one else can do them
2 - Be happy that there are now SOME GBs on here
To me, it doesn't matter why Cherry is appointed, it doesn't matter if it is because Grayson is paying Graham secretly under the table
because at the end of the day, it is completely his choice!The ONLY reason why group breaks are offered on Blowout cards is because the owners are a card shop! If they weren't selling a case everytime they had an active group break, there is no way in hell they would go through the headache of offering GBs at all!
In saying this, I too would be more than happy to see someone trustworthy like Garth to be a GB host as well, but then comes the issue of "why not drob50" or "why not GF4L" etc.
My hope is that this is the start of a big increase in a 'culture' of group breaks in Aus which will no doubt lead to a bigger demand, and in turn, more GB hosts!
GL with it all Grayson!
Just in response to this sentence, yes Cherry did have to buy the stock but by offering the case in a group break and receiving payment for all spots he has recouped his money so therefore he is not losing, the people that now face loss are those in the group break should he decide to do a runner.
And don't try and use the argument that he has other boxes that he may have purchased because if he tried to "steal" money and still had unsold boxes and cases he would surely be one dumb criminal (not saying that Cherry are criminals or dumb). Then again prison is full of dumb criminals, they are the ones that got caught.
To be honest if the mods had come to me and said hey you asked about group breaks a few years back, we are thinking of allowing, would you be interested in hosting I would have said no thanks as my circumstances now do not afford me the time that I believe is required to run these.
So if anyone thinks my questions are sour grapes think again. I am just an old guy who has probably forgotten more than what some of the younger members on here have even seen and I genuinely have the best intentions of everyone at heart.
Paypal will revoke the sites ability to use paypal checkout or use the Paypal logo on a site if someone complains that they didn't get anything from the break. They consider it gambling or a game of chance then. So as long as base or something are always sent, all is good. Makes it hard when it's a premium product with too few cards to go around though.
