Alex McKinnon

P_Phillips said:
There are a lot of good lifting tackles done where players don't land on their head that would get penalised under your view.

When they banned the choulder charge you could still see some good shoulder charges where there was no contact to the head getting penalised due to a blanket ban on shoulder charges.

For both shoulder charges that hit the head and and tackles that go beyond the horizontal there needs to be some tougher penalties. To do a blanket ban on lifting tackles will see a similar thing as shoulder charges with good tackles being penalised due to a ban.
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I disagreed with banning shoulder charges at the time, but in hindsight it was the right call - with all this concussion stuff that's come out since.

So I don't have an issue with removing all leg lifting tackles, regardless of whether they go wrong or not. Player safety should be the top priority, and it's too easy for it to go wrong.

Besides, nobody would even miss them - no-one goes to a game hoping to see a player upended, like they used to hoping to see a massive shoulder charge!
 
mjw006 said:
Lol. This is just pretty ignorant/silly and showing a clear lack of understanding for the rules and the game really.

The rule is and should be with regard to grabbing the inner leg and lifting. It has been this way for as long as I remember, that is where you end up with the really dangerous positions and spear tackles etc.

While more recently there is more of a blanket rule with regards to going above the horizontal, which is fine, a front on tackle that is a lift and plant them backwards is just never going to be even remotely as close to as dangerous as any tackle where the hand is placed between the legs and lifted.

Andrew johns tackle technique was something you could teach kids. Prop low, shoulder drive, leg drive. Placing hands between legs was something I was taught not to do from the age of 4 when I first started playing.

It's just ridiculous that this is actually being taught into these guys as a new Melbourne tactic to slow the play the ball down after the new rule changes. I don't even blame the kid for doing it but the coaching staff who are teaching the players this should hang their heads in shame and I hope they all feel as awful as possible after what happened to Alex.
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mjw006 said:
Lol. This is just pretty ignorant/silly and showing a clear lack of understanding for the rules and the game really.

The rule is and should be with regard to grabbing the inner leg and lifting. It has been this way for as long as I remember, that is where you end up with the really dangerous positions and spear tackles etc.

While more recently there is more of a blanket rule with regards to going above the horizontal, which is fine, a front on tackle that is a lift and plant them backwards is just never going to be even remotely as close to as dangerous as any tackle where the hand is placed between the legs and lifted.

Andrew johns tackle technique was something you could teach kids. Prop low, shoulder drive, leg drive. Placing hands between legs was something I was taught not to do from the age of 4 when I first started playing.

It's just ridiculous that this is actually being taught into these guys as a new Melbourne tactic to slow the play the ball down after the new rule changes. I don't even blame the kid for doing it but the coaching staff who are teaching the players this should hang their heads in shame and I hope they all feel as awful as possible after what happened to Alex.
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What was it I said that inspired you to write this novel?
 
We all wish Alex McKinnon a speedy and healthy recovery but i do agree with Girds on this.

After watching the tackle over and over again, he tucks his head under.

I can't see any twisting from the Melbourne tackler and there is no hand near his neck or head to push it forward.

Alex was barely off the ground and if he wouldn't have tucked his head under then i don't think this would have happened.

An unfortunate accident that can happen in our game.

We don't need another knee jerk reaction from the NRL like the shoulder charge being banned.

Let's hope they take all into account when handing out a penalty for this.

After all it was not like an old fashion spear tackle.
 
Maybe so but if he does not get lifted in the air his head does not get driven into the ground like that. I have no doubt that he will get some sort of suspension.

Perhaps the NRL should be having a closer look at what these wrestling coaches are teaching the players down there in Mexico.
 
But that is my point Owen that his head was not driven into the ground.

Yes he will get suspended but i don't think it should be for long.
 
Not sure i agree. If there was no driving force from the three players then he would not have hit has hard as he did. They broke 2 vertebrae so there was a lot of force behind it.

I dont think there can be any doubt that McLean put him in a dangerous position. I think he gets 3-4 weeks.

Feel sorry for the kid also. He must fell terrible.
 
He didnt hit hard though owen he was crushed under the weight of three players not the force in there arms
 
GiRDS- said:
i like seeing a good upending tackle, they should be allowed in one on one situations only if your going to do that. the minute 2 is in the tackle, no lifting, because you cant control what the others are doing, and then you get outcomes like this situation
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Agreed. I think a one on one tackle is a totally different thing.
 
GiRDS- said:
He didnt hit hard though owen he was crushed under the weight of three players not the force in there arms
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True. Maybe driving force was the wrong word i was looking for.

Just looking at it again for the first time since monday what was he was thinking lifting him?? McKinnon was not going anywhere.
 
Yeah it's just the act of placing him in a dangerous position. He can and must be suspended for some period of time even if there was no intent at all.

It sucks, but it is just the way life is. Use drink driving as an example. Say 1000 people drink drive on any given night, maybe only 10 will be charged. Out of that 1000, perhaps one person has an accident and kills someone. That person may have only had a 0.06 reading yet they will be punished much more harshly than someone who was driving at 0.15.

People are put in dangerous positions all the time on the footy field, and a lot goes un-noticed and unpunished. While you could consider McClean unlucky for being that one person who lifted and that freak incident occurred. The stronger argument is that he should just not have broken the rules in the first place.

Much like you could say that one drink driver was unlucky to be the 1 in 1000 that killed someone, it doesn't matter because they never should be in that position in the first place if they just abided by the laws.
 
ooneil said:
True. Maybe driving force was the wrong word i was looking for.

Just looking at it again for the first time since monday what was he was thinking lifting him?? McKinnon was not going anywhere.
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It's sadly way too common these days, there were numerous examples in that game alone, and many from Newcastle.

All stems from the initial two tacklers now looking to keep the player upright, so that a third player can come in and take them down, slowing the play the ball right down.

If the refs still gave traditional tacklers time to get back to marker like they did for 90-odd years, these upending tackles and cannonball tackles would never have come about. But making a traditional tackle is now a total disadvantage thanks to the refereeing interpretations.
 
ooneil said:
True. Maybe driving force was the wrong word i was looking for.

Just looking at it again for the first time since monday what was he was thinking lifting him?? McKinnon was not going anywhere.
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They lift them and spin them 180degrees to slow the ruck down its bellamys new tactic because theyve cracked down on wrestling
 
Bet you any of you lot would be happy if Bellamy was to coach your team.
I know a few ppl involved in the club and all of them deny any of the wrestling and so called illegal tactics storm use is coached, they have mentioned on
several occasions that other clubs should know this cause we lose alot of our staff to other clubs every year..
 
GiRDS- said:
They lift them and spin them 180degrees to slow the ruck down its bellamys new tactic because theyve cracked down on wrestling
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Just like everything else all teams will follow. Whenever a team finds a new way to slow down the play the ball all teams use it.
 
Very sad for the McKinnon clan and the Knights club, lets hope he comes through this relatively unscathed. This is not the way any player wants to finish a game. Incidents like this are the very reason the style of tackle has been banned, regardless of whether people think the end result was McKinnon's fault or not. Cam Smith's reaction was ordinary to say the least, and he is more than likely rethinking his dialogue now. Just hoping the young Storm guy is getting a bit of counselling and assistance to deal with this situation as well. Having dealt with a similar situation where an employee of mine put a guy in a wheelchair a couple of years back in a game of footy, there are casualties on both sides of these tackles and it wouldn't surprise me if McLean is in some pretty ordinary headspace himself because of the incident. Let's hope the game learns a lot from this.
 
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