Official ESP 2016 NRL Traders Thread (Sell Sheet Page 14)

About 5000 less boxes this year too.

collect94 said:

Anyone heard how the first 200 cases with the guaranteed duo hit will be distributed?

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Simple question. How about a response.

Waiting

Getting tired.

Maybe no one knows how they will be distributed. ESP could probably tell you on their Facebook page.

I'm sure someone does. Also see you're Sydney based.

What's that suppose to mean. Are you being State racist?

Yes. You received boxes, cases etc on 2/3/16 and I,m still waiting to see a card on 4/3/16

collect94 said:

Getting tired.

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go to bed

collect94 said:

Yes. You received boxes, cases etc on 2/3/16 and I,m still waiting to see a card on 4/3/16

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Mate try waiting for product in NZ....

Seeing a lot of quality in breaks etc its making me drool

shane_sharks said:

go to bed

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try some NO-DOZE.

saintsforever said:

try some NO-DOZE.

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Has any one opened an album yet.
Checked 1 out day before yesterday, have a look at the sleeves, do not have the traders names on them anymore.
Back to the theory of- got to buy more product or we do not sell them separately,
-as they are not to be mixed ie different types of sleeves.
-The sleeves supplied are the S H I T T I E S T sleeves you can supply.
-Good one ESP, THOUGHT YOU WOULD SLIP THAT PAST HEY.
-Cut some more quality out just to make some more profit.

Wouldn't mind hearing some reviews as I won't get any cards till I'm back in Oz. Especially what people think of the sigs in hand...
Good to see there not using blue anymore

troy titans douglas said:

Wouldn't mind hearing some reviews as I won't get any cards till I'm back in Oz. Especially what people think of the sigs in hand...
Good to see there not using blue anymore

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I usually try and throw a small one together a few weeks into the release, try and get onto one a bit sooner.

collect94 said:

Getting tired.

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@collect94 those 200 cases are actually marked case number ## of 200 so they were outside the normal run. The cases were delivered direct to ESP and they were to go to their preferred dealers, that is the dealers who comply with ESP wishes about how the product is sold. No case card but a numbered Duo card. Some of those cases eventually went to non ESP preferred dealers thru Ikon as ESP were moving way to slow on getting the product out to the rest of the market.

collect94 said:

Yes. You received boxes, cases etc on 2/3/16 and I,m still waiting to see a card on 4/3/16

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It's wrong that preferred dealers get the stuff before release date, open it and have it for sale when other dealers around AUS have to wait an extra week.

tak35bne said:

It's wrong that preferred dealers get the stuff before release date, open it and have it for sale when other dealers around AUS have to wait an extra week.

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I've just got back from working in Melbourne, yes coincidence that I got there for the Dragons Rnd 1 game, and yes wees were robbededed. I cant unwind to sleep so I think I'll spew forth a rant to waste some energy.

Yep I agree, it's wrong in multiple ways and is perpetuating some of the issues we have in the hobby. It gives a select few an advantage at being early to market, I don't really know any of the politics or personalities involved personally but if it was my business and I was being offered a competitive advantage I would probably take it too. The manufacturer just simply shouldn't condone it.

The effect it has is it generates no goodwill with others who support the hobby, not just in the commercial sense but in the sense that many of these "others" are the bricks and mortar of out hobby those who can encourage the next generation of collector. (a rant and hug to a minority group I'm on fire).

This restrictive channel selling only encourages the pre-sale listings on Ebay which by the way, in reality can never be stopped. To me this pre-listing shouldn't be seen as an issue either, listing on Ebay is free everyone who wants to sell it should list its free to list it. Rather than seeing it as an issue, embrace it, stop complaining somebody has got there first and list / sell as well. Good sellers will always rise to the top and bad unreliable sellers will be found out and fail. I'm amazed at how much accurate information gets out anyway, where does it all come from? So many different people seem to know something from someone? ESP just have a god damn checklist party and release the information to everyone in advance at the same time.

Then fix the product to market problem. For my mind; 1) there should be set a realistic release date, no near impossible deadlines, 2) Get the product to the primary distributors with enough time for them to pull the trigger on a set date 3) Then they spread to their retail outlets/ sub distributors etc including 7Eleven. They need to make it as much of a "big bang available to market" release as possible. You would then see more realistic prices from the outset in the secondary market rather than those with the product early in hand.

There problems solved......not the hobbies ones, mine I'm tired. I hope it made some sort of sense to someone.

Cheers
Ross

tak35bne said:

@collect94 those 200 cases are actually marked case number ## of 200 so they were outside the normal run. The cases were delivered direct to ESP and they were to go to their preferred dealers, that is the dealers who comply with ESP wishes about how the product is sold. No case card but a numbered Duo card. Some of those cases eventually went to non ESP preferred dealers thru Ikon as ESP were moving way to slow on getting the product out to the rest of the market.

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Dave, just another ESP sorry meant Dynamic piss poor effort to keep dealers in the market.
They have tried in the past to keep the game open for collectors to get all the all cards they produce by inserting No.1 cards in packets etc.
This is not a hobby anymore,
if you have to go getting a duo card only from a dealer, they will only put them on ebay at inflated prices, or offer them to there preferred customers.
Anyway it is another unfair practice.
You ESP have now probably ailinated another 1000 collectors just by doing this.
Keep looking after the dealers with perks like this instead of giving them your product at a cheaper price to distribute, then you will have not many collectors left to buy your product.

saintsforever said:

Dave, just another ESP sorry meant Dynamic piss poor effort to keep dealers in the market.
They have tried in the past to keep the game open for collectors to get all the all cards they produce by inserting No.1 cards in packets etc.
This is not a hobby anymore,
if you have to go getting a duo card only from a dealer, they will only put them on ebay at inflated prices, or offer them to there preferred customers.
Anyway it is another unfair practice.
You ESP have now probably ailinated another 1000 collectors just by doing this.
Keep looking after the dealers with perks like this instead of giving them your product at a cheaper price to distribute, then you will have not many collectors left to buy your product.

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I also reckon those first 200 cases meant for the ESP preferred dealers were stacked. I have heard of 4 case busts for 3 Legend sigs and a numbered Duo.

tak35bne said:

I also reckon those first 200 cases meant for the ESP preferred dealers were stacked. I have heard of 4 case busts for 3 Legend sigs and a numbered Duo.

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Explains why you can already get a legends sig for just over $200 if cases were that front loaded