Is there another thread we can move all of this into? I get really excited when I get a notification of a rumour in my inbox; I'm still holding out hope that the Warriors are about to sign Usain Bolt. But when I rush here to find out what news you have all brought me my heart breaks a little...
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AyiosYiorgos
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NRL: Warriors sign Usain Bolt
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11258445
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11258445
footycardswaps
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Defending Challenge Cup Champions Wigan Warriors have had a enviable home record smashed with their first loss at home in 28 years as Lee Jewitt crashed over next to the posts to give Cas an unassailable lead with just minutes remaining, the resurgent Cas have matched their 1986 side in exacting a rare defeat of Wigan and now are only one game away from Wembly.
AyiosYiorgos
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St George Illawarra has spent up to $3.5 million developing 70 players currently with other clubs in the NRL, NSW Cup or under-20s National Youth Competition.
North Queensland have developed 67 players at a similar cost who are now contracted elsewhere in the NRL or play in other elite competitions such as the NYC and Queensland Cup, while more than 50 players who have come through Wests Tigers ranks are playing for rival clubs at either NRL or NYC level.
The figures are similar at other "development clubs" such as Canberra, Penrith, Parramatta and Newcastle, who along with the Dragons, Cowboys and Tigers supply the vast majority of talent for the NRL and other elite competitions.
The cost of developing each player from the age of 15 until they are ready for the NYC is estimated to be about $49,000, which Knights recruitment manager Peter Mulholland says includes gym fees, coaching, playing and training gear, physiotherapy and medical expenses.
Yet clubs such as St George Illawarra receive no real compensation for the players they produce from either those who recruit them or the game itself.
"This is all fundamental to the growth of the game and, from a St George Illawarra point of view, we do a lot for the game by developing elite players and continuing to invest in the game's propagation, which means participation, fans and members," Dragons chief executive Peter Doust said.
The NRL has been working with the clubs on a review of player development structures but the issue has been thrust firmly in the spotlight by Canberra's loss of boom fullback Anthony Milford to Brisbane and the Raiders targeting of West Tigers rising star James Tedesco.
Milford, 20, has been in the Raiders junior system since the age of 13 and had played just 18 NRL games when he agreed to a $900,000 per season deal with the Broncos, prompting frustrated officials to question the value of their $3 million annual investment in the club's elite development programs and the local Canberra Region Rugby League competition.
Despite Tedesco's backflip last week on a $2 million, three-year deal with Canberra, Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer is also contemplating cuts to development programs worth between $600,000 and $1 million per year.
Doust and North Queensland chief executive Peter Jourdain say their clubs spend a similar amount each season.
"We have kids as young as 13 running around in the south-west of Sydney and in the inner-west that are basically linked to the Wests Tigers, and say in the under 13s we will have 60 kids that we put through a three or four month program each year," Mayer explains.
"But how many of those kids will come through and play NRL? It could be one. So consider the amount of money spent through 13s, 14s, 15s, 16s and upwards on developing that one kid, and that one kid can then choose where he goes.
"You look at guys like Ben Te'o, Sam Moa and even before that Jarryd Hayne and Israel Folau came out of our catchment area ... but if one of them go on to play State of Origin or Test football what does this club get for that?"
Mulholland, who previously worked at Penrith and Canterbury, said: "There is a lot of cost in developing a kid and in my opinion the game should take control of development completely, then hand it back to the clubs in the sense that you have your development officers come out in their Wests Tigers gear or Penrith Panthers gear because kids associate with a Dragon or a Panther - not an NRL logo".
With the NRL requesting clubs submit individual business plans as part of the new funding model to be introduced next season, Doust has asked the NRL to use the discretionary funding element of the system to support the development work the Dragons have invested so heavily in since the 1999 merger between St George and Illawarra.
To offset a reduction over recent years of up to $5 million in funding from their leagues clubs, the Dragons have adopted the "right game, right venue" strategy to increase revenue by moving four home games to bigger venues and Doust said they did not want to cut back on development.
"We would like the NRL to contribute as we have for many, many years in supporting those programs rather than see the club retreat to just an elite program," Doust said.
"I think we have heard people like Wests Tigers talking about not investing in developing young players if we keep having them taken from our programs, well our view is that we have produced 70 for the game and we don't see that as a negative. You can't keep them all but if they are in the game and they are developing the product of rugby league we should all be happy about that."
Jourdain said the Cowboys were happy to fund their own elite pathways but believe the NRL should administer or provide grants for general game development in North Queensland under the Cowboys banner.
"We counted 67 players last week who had been in our junior development programs, and that includes guys like Aiden Guerra at the Roosters," Jourdain said.
"I think we should continue to do that for our own club's benefit but we should get some increase in our grant towards the general development stuff we do or if it is more co-ordinated and funded by the NRL that is fine as well."
North Queensland spent about $500,000 per year on each of the two areas, while the annual cost of elite development for the Dragons - who run separate St George and Illawarra teams in the Harold Mathews and SG Ball competitions - is about $800,000. In comparison, some teams are estimated to spend little more than $100,000 per year.
"Already those clubs are going to be ahead of us as a club and they will put that money in NRL football structure and they will invest more money in sports science, in equipment and facilities," Mayer said.
"They have made that choice and good luck to them whereas we have made the choice to I guess let our facilities start to crumble to a certain degree and spend the money on the development of young kids."
Read more:http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...development-20140607-zs0gb.html#ixzz33zvoD5k8
North Queensland have developed 67 players at a similar cost who are now contracted elsewhere in the NRL or play in other elite competitions such as the NYC and Queensland Cup, while more than 50 players who have come through Wests Tigers ranks are playing for rival clubs at either NRL or NYC level.
The figures are similar at other "development clubs" such as Canberra, Penrith, Parramatta and Newcastle, who along with the Dragons, Cowboys and Tigers supply the vast majority of talent for the NRL and other elite competitions.
The cost of developing each player from the age of 15 until they are ready for the NYC is estimated to be about $49,000, which Knights recruitment manager Peter Mulholland says includes gym fees, coaching, playing and training gear, physiotherapy and medical expenses.
Yet clubs such as St George Illawarra receive no real compensation for the players they produce from either those who recruit them or the game itself.
"This is all fundamental to the growth of the game and, from a St George Illawarra point of view, we do a lot for the game by developing elite players and continuing to invest in the game's propagation, which means participation, fans and members," Dragons chief executive Peter Doust said.
The NRL has been working with the clubs on a review of player development structures but the issue has been thrust firmly in the spotlight by Canberra's loss of boom fullback Anthony Milford to Brisbane and the Raiders targeting of West Tigers rising star James Tedesco.
Milford, 20, has been in the Raiders junior system since the age of 13 and had played just 18 NRL games when he agreed to a $900,000 per season deal with the Broncos, prompting frustrated officials to question the value of their $3 million annual investment in the club's elite development programs and the local Canberra Region Rugby League competition.
Despite Tedesco's backflip last week on a $2 million, three-year deal with Canberra, Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer is also contemplating cuts to development programs worth between $600,000 and $1 million per year.
Doust and North Queensland chief executive Peter Jourdain say their clubs spend a similar amount each season.
"We have kids as young as 13 running around in the south-west of Sydney and in the inner-west that are basically linked to the Wests Tigers, and say in the under 13s we will have 60 kids that we put through a three or four month program each year," Mayer explains.
"But how many of those kids will come through and play NRL? It could be one. So consider the amount of money spent through 13s, 14s, 15s, 16s and upwards on developing that one kid, and that one kid can then choose where he goes.
"You look at guys like Ben Te'o, Sam Moa and even before that Jarryd Hayne and Israel Folau came out of our catchment area ... but if one of them go on to play State of Origin or Test football what does this club get for that?"
Mulholland, who previously worked at Penrith and Canterbury, said: "There is a lot of cost in developing a kid and in my opinion the game should take control of development completely, then hand it back to the clubs in the sense that you have your development officers come out in their Wests Tigers gear or Penrith Panthers gear because kids associate with a Dragon or a Panther - not an NRL logo".
With the NRL requesting clubs submit individual business plans as part of the new funding model to be introduced next season, Doust has asked the NRL to use the discretionary funding element of the system to support the development work the Dragons have invested so heavily in since the 1999 merger between St George and Illawarra.
To offset a reduction over recent years of up to $5 million in funding from their leagues clubs, the Dragons have adopted the "right game, right venue" strategy to increase revenue by moving four home games to bigger venues and Doust said they did not want to cut back on development.
"We would like the NRL to contribute as we have for many, many years in supporting those programs rather than see the club retreat to just an elite program," Doust said.
"I think we have heard people like Wests Tigers talking about not investing in developing young players if we keep having them taken from our programs, well our view is that we have produced 70 for the game and we don't see that as a negative. You can't keep them all but if they are in the game and they are developing the product of rugby league we should all be happy about that."
Jourdain said the Cowboys were happy to fund their own elite pathways but believe the NRL should administer or provide grants for general game development in North Queensland under the Cowboys banner.
"We counted 67 players last week who had been in our junior development programs, and that includes guys like Aiden Guerra at the Roosters," Jourdain said.
"I think we should continue to do that for our own club's benefit but we should get some increase in our grant towards the general development stuff we do or if it is more co-ordinated and funded by the NRL that is fine as well."
North Queensland spent about $500,000 per year on each of the two areas, while the annual cost of elite development for the Dragons - who run separate St George and Illawarra teams in the Harold Mathews and SG Ball competitions - is about $800,000. In comparison, some teams are estimated to spend little more than $100,000 per year.
"Already those clubs are going to be ahead of us as a club and they will put that money in NRL football structure and they will invest more money in sports science, in equipment and facilities," Mayer said.
"They have made that choice and good luck to them whereas we have made the choice to I guess let our facilities start to crumble to a certain degree and spend the money on the development of young kids."
Read more:http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...development-20140607-zs0gb.html#ixzz33zvoD5k8
The Mad Hatter
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It shows you how poor Tigers and Saints retention people are. And the old adage is 'you can't keep them all'.
Seriously though, every team that wins the comp within five years turns to shit and gets the spoon, or close enough to it. Saints are just like everyone else now. They had a gun side for ten years and now they've retired mostly or moved. It's not right I agree but it's the nature of the NRL beast.
And think this: when Souths were big awful, or whilst Para collected two spoons...they had the same cap. So while a top team runs around their player pool gets the same as the spooners. Personally, I don't think that's right but I can live with the salary cap.
Seriously though, every team that wins the comp within five years turns to shit and gets the spoon, or close enough to it. Saints are just like everyone else now. They had a gun side for ten years and now they've retired mostly or moved. It's not right I agree but it's the nature of the NRL beast.
And think this: when Souths were big awful, or whilst Para collected two spoons...they had the same cap. So while a top team runs around their player pool gets the same as the spooners. Personally, I don't think that's right but I can live with the salary cap.
The Mad Hatter
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And please, don't take this as anti Raiders, Tigers, Cowboys or Saints.
I actually agree more needs to be done to encourage both junior development and player loyalty. No player who gets 150-200 games with his club should be squeezed out. But NRL needs to sort this.
Also heard Canberra business people are setting up the Green Arrows to help Raiders attract talent, etc. Good I say.
I actually agree more needs to be done to encourage both junior development and player loyalty. No player who gets 150-200 games with his club should be squeezed out. But NRL needs to sort this.
Also heard Canberra business people are setting up the Green Arrows to help Raiders attract talent, etc. Good I say.
AyiosYiorgos
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From another site... some good points that make you think...
Why would you want to be compared to a mediocre club like Canterbury?
If your fairdinkum the comparison would be with the Roosters:
a) They have no local junior development
b) They dont represent a rugby league area
c) The locals dont follow the game and couldnt give a damn about rugby league
d) They have very few fans
e) As reigning premiers and having recruited SBW their attendences are still very poor this year
Yet with all of these hindrances:
1) They are reigning NRL and World Champions
2) Managed to make 6 grandfinals since 2000
3) They recruit star player after star player
4) They always manage to assemble one of the strongest NRL squads
5) They lure star players from rival clubs and codes
6) They have managed to add State of Origin representative Blake Ferguson to what is already the most talented backline in the competition (they have managed to do this while he was convicted guilty in court of indecent assault of an innocent women only in Febuary this year - yet other players like Sandor Earl get a minimum of 2 years out of the game for using an unproven peptide)
7) They get their WCC to be played at their home ground
8) They manage to continue to employ Peter O'Sullivan (the best NRL talent scout) without any inteference from the NRL even though he was heavily implicated in the Storms cap cheating. They took a highly sought after junior in Hastings with ease
9) They get positive media coverage even though they have produced some horrendous headlines in the game in recent years (eg the final game fix vs Cowboys in 2009, Nate Myles public defacation, Setimata Sa, BJ Leluia)
10) They are able to sign star players to lower salaries than most other clubs (Look at SBWs current salary)
11) The winner of their Rookie of the Year award wins a $20k trip around the world (Tuivasa Sheck won it before 2013) and this gift is salary cap exempt - yet other clubs like souths had the Armani uniforms given to their players to wear to and from the stadium count towards the cap
Proffesionalism
The Roosters are the club to be compared against for continued success. Traditional football clubs like Parramatta, Canterbury, Manly, Souths are basket cases either on or off the field
## The real power monger is Gyngell. He is in charge of Channel 9 who now own the game, courtesy of the billion dollar plus deal that the NRL signed. Gyngell is also a Director on the roosters board. This is an absolute conflict of interest and would not be allowed in the business world. Gyngell would have to choose one. It is no coincidence that within 1 season of channel 9 buying the NRL rights, the roosters won the comp in extremely controversial circumstances.##
100%... The roosters finished 2009 with the wooden spoon and other off field dramas.. Yet got value for their new sponsor steggles by having their first 5 games broadcast live in Channel9 in 2010.. Did Politis put any word out to Gyngell on what was needed, conflict of interest?
1) How was SBW secured to a handshake agreement soon after he walked out of the game? What about the pictures of Gyngell, Politis, Sbw and his manager photographed together in meeting before he joined the NRL - conflict of interest? Third party payments?
2) James Maloney bought the house of a Channel 9 employee Tim Gilbert when he shifted across from NZ - but did the house change hands for 'market value' & who contributed to buying the house? The house price is not listed on RP Data but is usually with house sales. Most people put their house on the open market to get the best possible price, but why didnt that happen here? Most people use a real estate agent - but not here? Very convenient no agent, not open to others just a direct transfer between Channel 9 employee and a Roosters player.. A house is the biggest investment most people make in their lives
Im sure it was a nice house being owned by a well known TV presenter, did it sell for a couple of 100K below market value? Who really paid for it?
Article: BELIEVE it or not ... Roosters larrikin James Maloney didn't demand a barbecue when he bought his new Maroubra home last year.
The vendor was none other than Channel 9 commentator Tim Gilbert, who last night confirmed the NRL's most notorious meat man had moved in without making inquiries about barbecue facilities.
"The property doesn't have a barbecue area as such - we just used a Weber," Gilbert laughed. "But we did build him a nice outdoor deck just a few years before moving out. I've been happily telling everyone that James's good form for the Roosters is because of how happy he is with the accommodation."
Maloney first inspected the house while in Sydney for Warriors away games last year. He purchased it directly from Gilbert.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1226634283001
3. 20K round the world trip given to Tuivasa Schek and his mother at the end of 2012 - why is it allowed to be salary cap exmpt? Doesnt it help keep a player and his family happy, making it easier to be re-signed? Dont forget where talking about a player that was highly sought after in both Rugby League and Rugby Union, the Roosters were up against the NZ Rugby Union the All Black brand yet prevailed just as they did with SBW..
Article: As reward for taking out the Roosters’ Rookie of the Year award last season, the club flew Tuivasa-Sheck and his mother for their first ever trip to Europe.
“We did a lot of day tours, first in London and then in Paris, with other small places in between. So you could say I’m something of a local,” Tuivasa-Sheck joked to NRL.com.
http://www.nrl.com/tuivasa-sheck-arr...5/default.aspx
The NRL gets wind of alot of these things yet dont investigate .. All this stuff is publicised and not even investigated or questioned .. Why?
Massive conflicts of interest all over, everywhere with the Roosters.. But they get away with it AND are heavily promoted.. The Roosters being a club representing a non rugby league area having a team that continously challenges for the comp and signs star player after star player.. They achieve success and arent scrutinised ..
tthe roosters always get the player they want.. At Manly Hasler tried very hard to secure both Lama Tasi and Warea Hargraves he made it a priority, yet the Roosters signed them both no problem... What about Pearce? He was sounded out by Balmain and Manly very early on playing in the North Shore comp as a junior and continously making the back page of the north shore times (good or overrated he was highly sought after - he signed with the Roosters.. Hastings Jnr etc etc the names go on and on and on...
They get their man nearly 100% of the time, no questions are ever asked
Why would you want to be compared to a mediocre club like Canterbury?
If your fairdinkum the comparison would be with the Roosters:
a) They have no local junior development
b) They dont represent a rugby league area
c) The locals dont follow the game and couldnt give a damn about rugby league
d) They have very few fans
e) As reigning premiers and having recruited SBW their attendences are still very poor this year
Yet with all of these hindrances:
1) They are reigning NRL and World Champions
2) Managed to make 6 grandfinals since 2000
3) They recruit star player after star player
4) They always manage to assemble one of the strongest NRL squads
5) They lure star players from rival clubs and codes
6) They have managed to add State of Origin representative Blake Ferguson to what is already the most talented backline in the competition (they have managed to do this while he was convicted guilty in court of indecent assault of an innocent women only in Febuary this year - yet other players like Sandor Earl get a minimum of 2 years out of the game for using an unproven peptide)
7) They get their WCC to be played at their home ground
8) They manage to continue to employ Peter O'Sullivan (the best NRL talent scout) without any inteference from the NRL even though he was heavily implicated in the Storms cap cheating. They took a highly sought after junior in Hastings with ease
9) They get positive media coverage even though they have produced some horrendous headlines in the game in recent years (eg the final game fix vs Cowboys in 2009, Nate Myles public defacation, Setimata Sa, BJ Leluia)
10) They are able to sign star players to lower salaries than most other clubs (Look at SBWs current salary)
11) The winner of their Rookie of the Year award wins a $20k trip around the world (Tuivasa Sheck won it before 2013) and this gift is salary cap exempt - yet other clubs like souths had the Armani uniforms given to their players to wear to and from the stadium count towards the cap
Proffesionalism
The Roosters are the club to be compared against for continued success. Traditional football clubs like Parramatta, Canterbury, Manly, Souths are basket cases either on or off the field
## The real power monger is Gyngell. He is in charge of Channel 9 who now own the game, courtesy of the billion dollar plus deal that the NRL signed. Gyngell is also a Director on the roosters board. This is an absolute conflict of interest and would not be allowed in the business world. Gyngell would have to choose one. It is no coincidence that within 1 season of channel 9 buying the NRL rights, the roosters won the comp in extremely controversial circumstances.##
100%... The roosters finished 2009 with the wooden spoon and other off field dramas.. Yet got value for their new sponsor steggles by having their first 5 games broadcast live in Channel9 in 2010.. Did Politis put any word out to Gyngell on what was needed, conflict of interest?
1) How was SBW secured to a handshake agreement soon after he walked out of the game? What about the pictures of Gyngell, Politis, Sbw and his manager photographed together in meeting before he joined the NRL - conflict of interest? Third party payments?
2) James Maloney bought the house of a Channel 9 employee Tim Gilbert when he shifted across from NZ - but did the house change hands for 'market value' & who contributed to buying the house? The house price is not listed on RP Data but is usually with house sales. Most people put their house on the open market to get the best possible price, but why didnt that happen here? Most people use a real estate agent - but not here? Very convenient no agent, not open to others just a direct transfer between Channel 9 employee and a Roosters player.. A house is the biggest investment most people make in their lives
Im sure it was a nice house being owned by a well known TV presenter, did it sell for a couple of 100K below market value? Who really paid for it?
Article: BELIEVE it or not ... Roosters larrikin James Maloney didn't demand a barbecue when he bought his new Maroubra home last year.
The vendor was none other than Channel 9 commentator Tim Gilbert, who last night confirmed the NRL's most notorious meat man had moved in without making inquiries about barbecue facilities.
"The property doesn't have a barbecue area as such - we just used a Weber," Gilbert laughed. "But we did build him a nice outdoor deck just a few years before moving out. I've been happily telling everyone that James's good form for the Roosters is because of how happy he is with the accommodation."
Maloney first inspected the house while in Sydney for Warriors away games last year. He purchased it directly from Gilbert.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1226634283001
3. 20K round the world trip given to Tuivasa Schek and his mother at the end of 2012 - why is it allowed to be salary cap exmpt? Doesnt it help keep a player and his family happy, making it easier to be re-signed? Dont forget where talking about a player that was highly sought after in both Rugby League and Rugby Union, the Roosters were up against the NZ Rugby Union the All Black brand yet prevailed just as they did with SBW..
Article: As reward for taking out the Roosters’ Rookie of the Year award last season, the club flew Tuivasa-Sheck and his mother for their first ever trip to Europe.
“We did a lot of day tours, first in London and then in Paris, with other small places in between. So you could say I’m something of a local,” Tuivasa-Sheck joked to NRL.com.
http://www.nrl.com/tuivasa-sheck-arr...5/default.aspx
The NRL gets wind of alot of these things yet dont investigate .. All this stuff is publicised and not even investigated or questioned .. Why?
Massive conflicts of interest all over, everywhere with the Roosters.. But they get away with it AND are heavily promoted.. The Roosters being a club representing a non rugby league area having a team that continously challenges for the comp and signs star player after star player.. They achieve success and arent scrutinised ..
tthe roosters always get the player they want.. At Manly Hasler tried very hard to secure both Lama Tasi and Warea Hargraves he made it a priority, yet the Roosters signed them both no problem... What about Pearce? He was sounded out by Balmain and Manly very early on playing in the North Shore comp as a junior and continously making the back page of the north shore times (good or overrated he was highly sought after - he signed with the Roosters.. Hastings Jnr etc etc the names go on and on and on...
They get their man nearly 100% of the time, no questions are ever asked
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