NRL Insert Set......what would you create? (UPDATED WITH SOME NEWS)

ooneil · Oct 14, 2012

Carter said:
The point is that the actual collectors send in numerous wrappers and get rewarded, is that so hard to think of!

Yes it is years ago theory but it works!

Its a case of selective memory. Anyone remember 1996 Signature Gold? Send in 36 wrappers and get a signature card. Where did that end - in Dynamic going bankrupt and us collectors missing out on cards in 1998 and 1999.

I know Select never got over their fascination with Acetate cards but the hobby has come so far over the past 10 years.

Time to look forward with ideas - not backwards.

Perhaps Matt26 and Billyhoyle could show some examples from their NBA PC.

Billyhoyle · Oct 14, 2012

ooneil said:
Are you guys serious? These days we call these insert cards.

Who wants to stuff around sending wrappers in when you can bust them direct from packets. They worked that out 18 years ago.

I guess the other part of it is, an insert set that you actually have to do something to get rather than just get it out of a pack.

Back in 96,97,98 Upper Deck did Crash the Game and the Predictor sets.
You would get a card and if the card pictured the winner, you would get a set (I think the AFL has done something similar) - so for example you might get
A Marcus Camby scores 20 on 11/4/12 if he achieves that you would receive the set, if he doesn't it doesn't win or Michael Jordan wins the MVP gets the set.
RL example might be scoring a try, making australian team, # of tackles in a game/season

Billyhoyle · Oct 14, 2012

NBA examples that I think could work in RL

Crash the game - criteria based redemption card

here's the other predictor style

Autos on ball - could be actual game used or not

The Mad Hatter · Oct 14, 2012

Well, personally, I don't give a s crap about insert cards.

I want 18 cards per team in one set per season. Aimed at kids and if adults collect, fine.

But that's not going to happen.

As for the mail in vouchers idea, why wouldn't that work?

Works as much as the people who want a signed Ettingshausen chest hair redemption card OR a sliver of stadium seat.

Matt26 · Oct 14, 2012

Terry did say they are looking at game used football pieces on cards as well, signed or not...im not sure.

The one thing they did learn is that the autos on the jersey pieces didnt work and they will be signed on the cards instead in future.

I did mention that one idea would to be make a set or a paralell set that has a less shiny surface and be more favorable to being autographed in person.

I said that after every game you see lots of kids (and a lot of adults) hanging around for the players to sign cards for them. If you had a card or even a space to sign their name without the signature bubbling on a shiny surface, then it may be a good thing for getting cards signed. They said they will look into it.

Cheers
Matt

The Mad Hatter · Oct 14, 2012

ooneil said:
Are you guys serious? These days we call these insert cards.

Who wants to stuff around sending wrappers in when you can bust them direct from packets. They worked that out 18 years ago.

So you wouldn't collect them if they did them?

It's funny, I collected 2012 Champions and so did my 3 year old son. He doesn't know the difference between a Greg Inglis Try Machine and a common card, a foil sticker or gold card. But he has them scruffy and dog eared in his box and loves that the player is on them.

I once found a Top Prospect rubber banded and mangled in my nephew's collection.

Anything that gets kids in is cool by me.

The Top End stuff, keep debating, I really have little interest. If I like it, I will buy it. Much the same as everyone else on here.

ooneil · Oct 14, 2012

I think your longing for days that are well behind the hobby.

1967Sharks · Oct 14, 2012

I hope esp doesn't read too much into this thread. The most vocal person doesn't even want inserts.

shane_sharks · Oct 14, 2012

cards for ip sig pigs=fail

1967Sharks · Oct 14, 2012

They should've started off strong. If that first release is equal to $8 a pack, what are you really expecting in the $3-$4 price range?
From the sound of upcoming releases the kids will be looked after but I doubt they will get high end releases right.
To me ratios and how limited the cards are will be the deciding factor. I would be interested in who the ESP dealers are as the select dealers had their favourite customers and the good cards didnt even hit eBay. Basically just gave them away....

The Mad Hatter · Oct 15, 2012

ooneil said:
I think your longing for days that are well behind the hobby.

You are probably right.

The problem with inserts, I am a completist and I can't complete sets. At least in the old days, once you had all 150-180 cards, you had the set. Plus bubblegum. Yes...I know, I am a dinosaur.

And it's not like I don't collect inserts, I just find it frustrating. And they don't even list 'em all on the checklists as if it's some sort of secret.

For mine, I'd chase something really, really special. Something they haven't done before.

Would def love to see some top end cards like (whether or not I could afford / collect them, well, who knows) :

* Premiers cards - like they do with the AFL - each year, Grand Final team photo.
* Longing for an Andrew Ettingshausen signature card (cause that guy was a GOD when I was at school and even after). Greg Florimo, Cliff Lyons, Preston Campbell, Hindmarsh, Civoneceiva...
* Proper crafted IMMORTAL sig cards
* NSW and QLD, AUST and NZ rep cards (1 in 6 packs type).
* Season highlights cards (SoO, Test, Finals (or just grand final) card at the end of the common set.
* A parallel set with different player pics.
* Better player selection if only 12 cards per team, and no club card.
* Better selection of Top Prospects, even if there is only 6-8.
* U20s Rookie per club common card.
* And maybe instead if Top Prospect, why not Gladiators, a 10-12 card set of players who played 200 games or so, maybe a few Origins, but aren't your Fittler, Johns, Raper Immortal / Legend level - like a Mark Coyne, Jamie Ainscough, Les Davidson, or Martin Bella or Gary Larson, Billy Moore...

I def don't want to see any more acetate / gem cards for a while. Or holofoil type stuff. Or rookies. Brett Finch 2010 - LOL!

I apologise if some of the things I posted as 'humour' didn't go down well with the 'hobbyists'. I do hope ESP really succeed with this, otherwise we're all f***ed, aren't we?

Dragon_Fire · Oct 15, 2012

I apologies for the humour as well.
I had a conversation with terry at the penrith show and I suggested to him that one of the hardest Things will be the balancing act between trying to get the kids more into the hobby and keeping the Hardcore collectors happy.
What worries me is the price at $8 a pkt.. could be to expensive for the average kid.
Just using my 2 boys as an example when i would walk into the newsagent i could get both boys + Myself a pkt of champions for under $10 and $12 for the 2nd series.
Now when i walk in and its $24 for 3 pkts i think twice about it.

ooneil · Oct 15, 2012

Here is something new i came across today. Boot laces cards!! ESP dont have to them but it would be good to see this type of out of the box thinking.

shane_sharks · Oct 16, 2012

would you want a boot laces card owen?

ooneil · Oct 16, 2012

shane_sharks said:
would you want a boot laces card owen?

Read what i said troll.

1967Sharks · Oct 16, 2012

We need basic thinking first. Game used jerseys! A few years of getting that right then they can look into boot laces for Owen

shane_sharks · Oct 16, 2012

ooneil said:
Read what i said troll.

learn to forum muppet

ooneil · Oct 16, 2012

If i make ET versions you two will blow your loads and call it the greatest release ever.

1967Sharks · Oct 16, 2012

ooneil said:
If i make ET versions you two will blow your loads and call it the greatest release ever.

Ummm because it would be haha the bar isn't really set that high as it is.

1967Sharks · Oct 16, 2012

Et is dreamy

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