NRL 2016 ESP Elite Official Thread (Checklist Up Pg 36)

[Brendan_B]

I was hoping this was the case last year, it would be much more exciting/interesting.



This is really scary. Scarcity is a double-edged sword. On one hand it is exciting to have the chance to obtain something rare. However, with so many collectors dropping to team set collecting we are seeing an increase in the amount of card hoarding (monopolising, building number banks etc) that is happening (due I guess to people not having that much to collect anymore...oh...and greed). At the end of the day card collecting is about fun not commerce.

The less people that have the ability to complete sets, the fewer people will bother collecting and a smaller gene pool equals death to the hobby.

Let's see what else the set has to offer I guess. However a feeding frenzy over some ultra-rare parallels is not whetting my apetite at this stage

Power Play is my favourite release by miles at the moment

You are very correct about the scarcity. /40 should be the most limited in NRL releases. We don't have a hobby like the NBA where there are multiple companies producing the cards.

The other concern I have is that every ESP release some dealers receive their product a week or more before others. I certainly don't begrudge the dealers making there money back as they are vital to the hobby but if X amount of cases are allocated to dealers and lots of these super rare MOJO'S limited to /20 are busted then it is not fair to the average collector. There was a theory that the first 200 cases for 16 Traders that came with a Duo as the case card seem to have been stacked. I don't know how true this was but it certainly seemed as though nearly every one of those cases had a second duo and / or a legends signature. If this were to happen with Elite and stacked cases with the very limited cards were provided to some and not others it would be disastrous.

 

[Brendan_B]

Or alternately a /20 insert should only be released into retail boxes that can only be purchased by collectors

 

[Matt26]

You are very correct about the scarcity. /40 should be the most limited in NRL releases. We don't have a hobby like the NBA where there are multiple companies producing the cards.

The other concern I have is that every ESP release some dealers receive their product a week or more before others. I certainly don't begrudge the dealers making there money back as they are vital to the hobby but if X amount of cases are allocated to dealers and lots of these super rare MOJO'S limited to /20 are busted then it is not fair to the average collector. There was a theory that the first 200 cases for 16 Traders that came with a Duo as the case card seem to have been stacked. I don't know how true this was but it certainly seemed as though nearly every one of those cases had a second duo and / or a legends signature. If this were to happen with Elite and stacked cases with the very limited cards were provided to some and not others it would be disastrous.

Cant talk about certain cased being stacked, but distribution has its challenges....

ESP get a certain amount air freighted in so they can start supplying and invoicing resellers this is why they get it early. The issue with card companies is that all of the cost is up front.......design, printing, signatures, marketing, wages etc.....so the sooner they get cash flowing the better.

With retail is that manufacturers sometimes only get paid every quarter for retail sales plus you need to have stock into retail distributors a week or so before release date so they can get it out. Then wait 3 months before they get paid for it.

Elite being a primarily re seller product lessens the wait for payment.

 

[Angry]

Well they need to make it fair that everyone gets it early not the chosen few ,

 

[Angry]

You are very correct about the scarcity. /40 should be the most limited in NRL releases. We don't have a hobby like the NBA where there are multiple companies producing the cards.

The other concern I have is that every ESP release some dealers receive their product a week or more before others. I certainly don't begrudge the dealers making there money back as they are vital to the hobby but if X amount of cases are allocated to dealers and lots of these super rare MOJO'S limited to /20 are busted then it is not fair to the average collector. There was a theory that the first 200 cases for 16 Traders that came with a Duo as the case card seem to have been stacked. I don't know how true this was but it certainly seemed as though nearly every one of those cases had a second duo and / or a legends signature. If this were to happen with Elite and stacked cases with the very limited cards were provided to some and not others it would be disastrous.

I no for a fact that the first 200 cases were stacked , so it's time time people to talk up because that is an absolute joke that only few could even get these cases , while everyone else couldn't

 

[Parrapaul]

I no for a fact that the first 200 cases were stacked , so it's time time people to talk up because that is an absolute joke that only few could even get these cases , while everyone else couldn't

Big claim there mate, hope you are correct.

 

[batboy]

I no for a fact that the first 200 cases were stacked , so it's time time people to talk up because that is an absolute joke that only few could even get these cases , while everyone else couldn't

That's life....
ESP have to look after the people that look after them.
I have no problem with the Dealers getting those cases with the Duo case card.

Why should a guy who buys 1 case (Sometimes) get the same deal as a guy who buys 100 Every year?

The dealers are the guys that take all the risk and keep this hobby ticking over... and good on them. I have no trouble with them getting a dealers deal. If I decided to buy a case tomorrow, I wouldn't expect to get the same deal as Digga.

 

[nznrl]

That's life....
ESP have to look after the people that look after them.
I have no problem with the Dealers getting those cases with the Duo case card.

Why should a guy who buys 1 case (Sometimes) get the same deal as a guy who buys 100 Every year?

The dealers are the guys that take all the risk and keep this hobby ticking over... and good on them. I have no trouble with them getting a dealers deal. If I decided to buy a case tomorrow, I wouldn't expect to get the same deal as Digga.

I absolutely agree with you 100% here.

The only thing I would say though is that it needs to be more transparent that that is what is occurring. When cards are included on a sell sheet with odds to advertise the product you would expect them to be evenly distributed. When I bought a couple of cases of 2014 Elite, it wasn't apparent until afterwards that I had little to no chance of receiving a signed DCE case card as they were included in the odds. **Edit- actually upon reading the sell sheet it just said 70 released. No odds offered. The Duos were not advertised on the sell sheet and ABSOLUTELY fair game to be offered to sellers**

If I had known beforehand that these are distributed differently I would have been as happy as Larry. To giveaway previously advertised parts of the set to pre-ordained customers is a misrepresentation of pack ratios. From memory I think they were a bit more transparent with the Duos.

I am more tan happy for the dealers to be looked after. They just need to either not offer odds on those cards/not advertise them/or indicate that they are for preferential customers.

Ultimately at the end of the day releasing a high quality product is the best way to look after the dealers. The dealers will be looked after if their customers are too.

 

[Angry]

That's life....
ESP have to look after the people that look after them.
I have no problem with the Dealers getting those cases with the Duo case card.

Why should a guy who buys 1 case (Sometimes) get the same deal as a guy who buys 100 Every year?

The dealers are the guys that take all the risk and keep this hobby ticking over... and good on them. I have no trouble with them getting a dealers deal. If I decided to buy a case tomorrow, I wouldn't expect to get the same deal as Digga.

I agree what your saying just think it's fair to look after all dealers that have been doing it for along time Aswel? I no a couple of dealers that have been in n the game for a very long time that can't even get the product before release date ? That's what I'm saying fairs fair to everyone

 

[bigrob2307]

Info will be released 1st July i was just informed

 

[meinmiddle]

Update to yesterdays post. Heard today that:
Ruby mojo is one per case.
Sapphire mojo is one in three cases.

Also have heard that Young Gun And League Sensations are back.

 

[Delta]

that means sapphire mojo is either 1.2k or 2.4k depending on how you interperet it.

 

[Parrapaul]

Update to yesterdays post. Heard today that:
Ruby mojo is one per case.
Sapphire mojo is one in three cases.

Also have heard that Young Gun And League Sensations are back.

Ouch those sapphires are going to hurt

 

[Delta]

If a legends signature is 400 tops coming from a 4 dollar release, and is also a 1 in a case release doesnt that mean:
A 1 in 3 case card, double the price of traders, will cost
(400 X 2) X 3?
so 2400 dollars for a sapphire team set? does that make sense. gotta be pretty absurd for the master set collector, if there are still any out there.

 

[Brendan_B]

If a legends signature is 400 tops coming from a 4 dollar release, and is also a 1 in a case release doesnt that mean:
A 1 in 3 case card, double the price of traders, will cost
(400 X 2) X 3?
so 2400 dollars for a sapphire team set? does that make sense. gotta be pretty absurd for the master set collector, if there are still any out there.

Nope, can't work out card prices that way. There are so many other variables to consider

 

[Parrapaul]

I'm thinking about 800 for a set

 

[Delta]

Nope, can't work out card prices that way. There are so many other variables to consider

I kind of guessed that. 2 and a half thousand dollars could get you a 2008 master set centenary in brown folder. But isn't it the collectors who decide how much a card is worth? Like who said a legends signature is 400 and who said a SAS signature black is 10 bucks? Are these numbers partially arbitrary?

 

[joeyhonson]

Weren't the Mojo's going for around $800 when they first come out last year? If that was the case then I would think the Sapphires might start around the $1200-1500 mark. Will be interesting to see that's for sure.

 

[bigrob2307]

Yeah saw a couple sell over a grand also in the first few weeks

 

[Brendan_B]

I suppose the secondary market does dictate price to a certain extent. Variables to consider when pricing cards include team, player, serial numbered or not, availability and number produced.

Recent examples are World Cup Heroes Parallels from 14 Elite. Very popular, prices started low and sky rocketed. Had these been serial numbered the prices would have been significantly more.

13 Traders, generally considered to be a poor release but unnumbered YG signatures and the Legends, hand numbered and still /208 command better prices than YG signatures serial numbered to half the 13 Traders run