Is Gold Standard the biggest ripoff of recent times?
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Personally I love the cards, would I bust a box...no, would I buy singles...you bet.
I thought Exquisite was a rip off...look at all of attyballs breaks, for every good case, they had 10 that were crappy. With gold standard you get 10 cards for $200. Exquisite you got 5 cards for $600? I'm not comparing the quality of cards just the value.
It really comes down to a simple equation.....if you like em buy them, if you don't like em, don't buy them.
I thought Exquisite was a rip off...look at all of attyballs breaks, for every good case, they had 10 that were crappy. With gold standard you get 10 cards for $200. Exquisite you got 5 cards for $600? I'm not comparing the quality of cards just the value.
It really comes down to a simple equation.....if you like em buy them, if you don't like em, don't buy them.
People will pay anything once they are sucked in by the shiny marketing factor, it's clever and it works but I wouldn't pay that for a box. I would prefer to keep my cash and buy the cards that I like which are the jerseys, patches and on card auto's but that is it.
I also find it funny how people overpay for the singles #'d/99 or more that first hit eBay. I have noticed that all new jersey or insert cards #'d/99 or more sell for more then they should which is why I hold of for a few months.
current eBay examples below
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Patrick-Ewi...66061119?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item4d03318e3f
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-12-Panin...18419553?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item19d340c461
I have noticed with every new release these cards #'d/99 or more will push to $20 or more because they are a new release and the first cards to hit eBay, give it a month and we will see these go for $5 to $10 max afterall they are numbered to 99 or more.
off topic towards the end but that's my two cents worth.
I also find it funny how people overpay for the singles #'d/99 or more that first hit eBay. I have noticed that all new jersey or insert cards #'d/99 or more sell for more then they should which is why I hold of for a few months.
current eBay examples below
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Patrick-Ewi...66061119?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item4d03318e3f
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-12-Panin...18419553?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item19d340c461
I have noticed with every new release these cards #'d/99 or more will push to $20 or more because they are a new release and the first cards to hit eBay, give it a month and we will see these go for $5 to $10 max afterall they are numbered to 99 or more.
off topic towards the end but that's my two cents worth.
FabFiveFan
OzCardTrader
I agree...and disagree.
Firstly, you have every right to have (and vent) your opinion, and some of the points you make are totally valid as to why you might not want to buy this product, but...
And here is where I disagree with you, your welcome to have your opinion, but let every one else have theirs, and therefore let them feel that if they choose to grab a box of GS, and put their box bust up here for everyone to see, they will not be feeling like they are being ridiculed publicly for choosing to take the gamble that we all do when we bust a box of cards.
Oh and also, to limit the venting to only Panini would not be accurate. Having seen a large number of Ultimate busts over my time, let alone Exquisite, I think that Upper Deck can easily be tarred with the same brush. At the end of the day, buying High End boxes is ALWAYS a gamble, high risk (ie $$) with possible high reward, and for me personally, not a risk that I deem worthy, so I give the high end boxes a miss, and then just grab (hopefully) the singles that I am after either via forums or ebay. And remember, if it wasn't for people going out and busting these boxes, we wouldn't have the flourishing secondary market that we do have on both forums and ebay.
Also, since I am now ranting, for everyone busting a box of Limited or GS (prime current examples, though P&P also fits), it is essentially guaranteed that you will get at least one redemption, being the rookie redemption. I'm not sure if busting a box and then complaining about getting a redemption really works does it, just get better informed, though I do agree, getting a second redemption in a box does feel like an empty box.
Just my thoughts.
FabFiveFan
OzCardTrader
If its the same 3 box break that I saw, it should be noted that two boxes had extra cards inserted in them, which I am guessing would be these redemptions, so it is not as bad as it sounds.
And I would hardly consider 1 rookie card per box "flooding the market".
And to give you an example of a recent redemption experience of mine - I sent off a Preferred Auto redemption and received it back within 3 weeks. And a more long term view of Panini redemptions - I have redeemed just over 20 cards, not a single issue (really hope I havent just jinxed myself), and I cant imagine I am the only one, surely.
A simple check on ebay and you will see people are selling these redemptions by the dozen.....when have you ever known this to occur before???? Its just plain wrong. If its something panini is doing to create a buzz for this draft lottery then good luck to them. But when you are guarenteed a redemption in a pack/box the value should go down as you have to factor that it may take as long as one year to get the card. You sir are one of the lucky ones, i have 3 outstanding redemptions the longest being 8 months. Like someone else said with the 14kt cards now /49 cmon now why would you do that???? Are any new cards actually gonna be considered rare in the future? Simple answer NOPE. Very much starting to look like the 90's all over again. Mass produced rubbish. Atleast drop the price if ya gonna produce 6 million boxes and 47 different varities of the same card.
hairyangryfella
Tag Team Quads 93/94
That leads us to a whole nother Panini rant... they release autos of players in their newest products before fulfilling their old, outstanding ones.
I have a Bob Pettit redemption outstanding on my account from several months ago. No news on that. Yet they have his autos throughout their Limited product. Another kick in the guts from the only company with the NBA licence...
There are some things they have done like your redemption issue which I dont agree with (by the way have you gone on twitter to chase up the CSM manager who has helped out a lot of people?) but you really seem like a glass half empty sort of person.
Cheer up sunshine.....
Cheers
Matt
hairyangryfella
Tag Team Quads 93/94
Hey, I like the product they put out for Limited. I just think Gold Standard is a massive ripoff.
WoobieZarz
OzCardTrader
Anyone remember the amount of redemptions in 04-05 and 05-06 Finest?
People went CRAZY over those on ebay. Any why not, it's your first chance to own a card of a player that hasnt appeared on an NBA product yet.
It's like any new fad, people with money will buy them. When something else comes out, they'll buy that too!
EDIT:
Re busting Exquisite, I done one once, won't do them again, but it was something I really wanted to do, and say that I'd done it. I spent close to $1,100 on a box, and barely made a return. That wasnt my intention, I actually wanted a Devin Harris card. Pulled some very nice cards from the box, but no REALLY high dollar cards, but again, I wasnt too fussed about the results, simply wanted to open a box up to put on my resume.
People went CRAZY over those on ebay. Any why not, it's your first chance to own a card of a player that hasnt appeared on an NBA product yet.
It's like any new fad, people with money will buy them. When something else comes out, they'll buy that too!
EDIT:
Re busting Exquisite, I done one once, won't do them again, but it was something I really wanted to do, and say that I'd done it. I spent close to $1,100 on a box, and barely made a return. That wasnt my intention, I actually wanted a Devin Harris card. Pulled some very nice cards from the box, but no REALLY high dollar cards, but again, I wasnt too fussed about the results, simply wanted to open a box up to put on my resume.
hairyangryfella
Tag Team Quads 93/94
There's no way in hell I'd buy it.... and if people do... I wish them a time machine so they could not waste their money.
If they truly enjoy the busting, then that's fine. However if they're busting in the hope of pulling something remotely worth their outlay, they're almost certain to be disappointed... especially at TWO GRAND a case.
Someone said this earlier and I'll say it again with a quantifier - buying any wax is a gamble. Just because you've seen people get bad breaks doesn't mean everyone is. A guy over at beckett busted a box with two 14 ct gold material cards - 1 was a patch of Isiah Thomas. A very sweet break. I don't buy high-end, instead I stick to low-end but even then I've had some absolutely random luck. But just because I have good luck with - say - prestige, doesn't mean the next person will have the same good luck.
hairyangryfella
Tag Team Quads 93/94
Yeah but the 14kt golds are /49 now so that isn't even that special a result. Better than many, but not that impressive.
Name me any product aside from pulling any of the major hits where you would pull something remotely worth the outlay?
I can bust a box of NRL Dynasty for $170+ and pull $20 bucks worth of cards, I could buy a box of Exquisite for $600 and again pull $50 bucks worth of cards. I could also buy a box and hit a solid gold card or in other products a logoman. Even Logomen these days of average players sell for hundreds not thousands.
People may actually like this product and want to collect the cards? Ever think of that? Busting is fun after all.
You really need to get over the complaining.....sure if you had bought a case and were unhappy fine I understand. Busting boxes is a gamble. If people want to do it let em go for it its their money to do with what they want.
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