Interesting Article on Game Used Jersey Case

i just read all this stuff today ...... feel sick now!

and im someone who mainly collects auto's so i can only start to imagine how some of you guys who collect 'game-used' feel.....it sounds stupid to even call them game used now - should be called material cards....

what a sucking fhit hobby! bunch of criminals these companies


I WONDER IF THE GODDAMN SIGNATURES ARE REAL????? I WANT AN INQUEST INTO THAT NOW!!!
PROVE TO ME THAT IT AINT A BUNCH OF GRANDMAS AND GRANDPAS IN A SWEATSHOP SIGNING AWAY.......

F l_l C K this hobby!!!!!
 
I have a gamer piece from 91-92 signed with PSA authentication & a letter from Lou Lampson dated Sep 6 2007, Lou started reviewing all game used pieces since 2005 for this company. I'm beginning to think I'm one of thousands taken for a ride.


As someone who has bought a bit or memorabilia the last couple of years, I quickly learned that Lou Lampson is one of the least trustworthy names in the industry.



For current cards of current players, I would have little doubt that they are legit. It's quite easy to get legit gamers (from Meigray etc) if you have the money. It's the former/retired players that you have to worry about. You generally only have someone's opinion that it is legit (eg Lou Lampson...) or the company telling you it's ok - but how do they even know? I'd feel better about UD stuff of Lebron, KG, Jordan as they were exclusively with UD - so they should have had access to their items. Otherwise you'd just be getting things like Grey Flannel authenticated jerseys etc - which themselves have sometimes been proven to be wrong...
 
Came across this article on this blog > http://myhockeycardobsession.blogspot.com.au/

Very interesting read.

"Have you ever sent off an autograph request through the mail? When you got your card back have you ever questioned the authenticity of your signature?

With the onslaught of requests (that a player just would not be able to keep up with) some atheletes have resorted to using an autopen. What is an autopen you ask? It's a machine used for the automatic signing of a signature. After a metal template (or matrix as its called) is loaded into the machine, the autopen then writes the signature out in pen. It's the signature of the player, but it's not the actual player sitting down and doing the signing for each item.
Many athletes have adopted the autopen. Nolan Ryan, Muhammed Ali and Wayne Gretzky to name just a few.

Here's a quick article showing a couple of Gretzky's autos superimposed. You can see the exactness of the signatures. No question it was done with an autopen - nobody can duplicate their signature so exactly.
Note the "start/stop" ink buildups. A clear sign of an autopen.

Now while I would be a little disappointed receiving an autopen signature show up in the mail, I can kind of understand the need for it. Would I rather have that than potentially nothing? I guess. The sheer volume of requests would put me so far back in line I might never see the item come back.

But that's for through the mail requests. Something where I send something out in hopes........I repeat IN HOPES of getting something in return.

Now what if you found something of sort in your pack of hockey cards?

Things change right?

Well, there's a really interesting debate going on about the authenticity of an athlete's signature as it appears in multiple products this season. It appears that the signature was not done, individually...by hand, by the player himself.

Take a look at these signatures...
That's the signature belonging to Anaheim Ducks rising star Devante Smith-Pelly. While the signatures do have a feeling of variation, the similarities of them are very - very telling.

Some feel that the use of a stamp of some sort is being used. This would explain the differences in pen pressure and the odd ink spot.
In this instance, it looks like the stamp slipped which has left a thicker auto (but is still consistent with the above examples).

Somebody even took the time to note some of the areas that are most consistent from signature to signature on cards from the various products.
After seeing this, take a look at the signatures above.
They all have it - undeniable.
Now can a player have this consistent a signature? No. I just signed my names 10 times and while I think I have a pretty consistent autograph, there is no question that the nuances in my sig vary - a lot.
For a player to have this consistent a signature - even if they are taking their time.....but remember, they are signing thousands of hockey cards for card companies - is impossible. But I'm no handwriting expert.
Now if I bought a pack of hockey cards with Devante's signature in it would I be excited? Not anymore. The immediate question of authenticity comes into play. I wouldn't know if Smith-Pelly held the card at all (or if it was just an assistant or friend applying the stamp.
Now, nothing has been confirmed, this is all speculation at this point, but the evidence is growing. Upper Deck has not commented on this matter yet, but if it is proven that a stamp was used, I would be pretty ticked as a company. They pay good money for these athletes signatures, the least they could do is sign the cards themselves.
What was also mentioned (and I find very interesting) is that DSP's auto card was pulled from this year's Dominion release. Panini has yet to specify why, but wouldn't it be interesting if this were the reason. His cards were removed from the product very late in the production process as Panini did not replace his card slot with another player.
At the end of the day, I think that if a player has committed to signing for a particular card company, they should honor that contract by signing the cards themselves - plain and simple. By implementing something like a stamp or autopen, you are essentially telling your fans - the people who buy these cards - that they are worth the time or effort.
I'll be keeping my eye on this story - it's the first of its kind I've heard about and might be a fork in the hobby card road. Where will things go from here?"
 
Great read!

Nothing surprises me anymore particulary after those zeenut cards flooded the US ebay market and even some were sold on ebay here. A real backyard job that someone made a lot of money from.
 
Great read Owen! There have been some other examples of dubious signatures and ill try and post some info on this later.
 
In related news Bill Mastro is about to plead guilty.

"Mastro will apparently acknowledge at the February hearing that he altered the world's most valuable trading card, a Honus Wagner T206 that has fetched millions of dollars in a series of high-profile transactions"
This could be trouble for PSA given they "authenticated" and graded the card. There had been accusations that they were in cahoots with Mastro.
 
Beckett News NHLPA addresses Devante Smith-Pelly’s stamped autograph cards

Quote:

By Susan Lulgjuraj | Beckett Hockey Editor

Some collectors realized many of Anaheim Ducks Devante Smith-Pelly’s recent autograph cards were stamped and not actually signed by the player.

The NHL Players Association learned of the mistake and is working with Smith-Pelly, Upper Deck and Panini to fix the issue.

“It turns out he did stamp the cards, it affects five products,” said Adam Larry, director of licensing for the NHLPA. “It was just an error in judgment. There wasn’t any bad intention on his behalf.”

The five products in this scenario are Upper Deck’s SP Authentic, Ultimate and The Cup, and Panini’s Contenders and Prime, according to Larry.

Collectors who have any of these are directed to contact the customer service departments for the respective card companies.

“This is not something we’re aware of happening in other circumstances,” Larry said. “When the rumor came to service, we looked into it. We will work with Upper Deck and Panini to rectify the situation as best we could.”

Some collectors noticed a difference in his autographs on the stamped versions with different pressure marks, but the amazing consistency on all his on-card autographs. With rumors floating around message boards and blogs, the NHLPA took notice and investigated the situation.

Susan Lulgjuraj is an editor of Beckett Hockey.
 
Beckett News NHLPA addresses Devante Smith-Pelly’s stamped autograph cards

Quote:

By Susan Lulgjuraj | Beckett Hockey Editor

Some collectors realized many of Anaheim Ducks Devante Smith-Pelly’s recent autograph cards were stamped and not actually signed by the player.

The NHL Players Association learned of the mistake and is working with Smith-Pelly, Upper Deck and Panini to fix the issue.

“It turns out he did stamp the cards, it affects five products,” said Adam Larry, director of licensing for the NHLPA. “It was just an error in judgment. There wasn’t any bad intention on his behalf.”

The five products in this scenario are Upper Deck’s SP Authentic, Ultimate and The Cup, and Panini’s Contenders and Prime, according to Larry.

Collectors who have any of these are directed to contact the customer service departments for the respective card companies.

“This is not something we’re aware of happening in other circumstances,” Larry said. “When the rumor came to service, we looked into it. We will work with Upper Deck and Panini to rectify the situation as best we could.”

Some collectors noticed a difference in his autographs on the stamped versions with different pressure marks, but the amazing consistency on all his on-card autographs. With rumors floating around message boards and blogs, the NHLPA took notice and investigated the situation.

Susan Lulgjuraj is an editor of Beckett Hockey.


That quote I've highlighted is just taking the piss.... No bad intention???? yeah right, just the deception of collectors and fans....
 
Someone asked me today why i want to collect the 86/87 fleer set and start collecting more inserts from the 90's and this is why, you may aswell have piece of mind that the old non signed non patch cards are authentic!!!
 
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