2014 ESP Elite info discussion thread (Flyer P22 - Checklist P41)

hobo · Jun 24, 2014

World Cup Heroes:

Greg Bird (Gold Coast Titans),
Darius Boyd (Newcastle Knights),
Daly Cherry-Evans (Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles),
Boyd Cordner (Sydney Roosters),
Cooper Cronk (Melbourne Storm),
Robbie Farah (Wests Tigers),
Andrew Fifita (Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks),
Paul Gallen (Cronulla Sutherland-Sharks),
Jarryd Hayne (Parramatta Eels),
Greg Inglis (South Sydney Rabbitohs),
Michael Jennings (Sydney Roosters),
Luke Lewis (Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks),
Brett Morris (St George Illawarra Dragons),
Josh Morris (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs),
Nate Myles (Gold Coast Titans),
Josh Papalii (Canberra Raiders),
Corey Parker (Brisbane Broncos),
Matthew Scott (North Queensland Cowboys),
Billy Slater (Melbourne Storm),
Cameron Smith (Melbourne Storm),
James Tamou (North Queensland Cowboys),
Brent Tate (North Queensland Cowboys),
Sam Thaiday (Brisbane Broncos),
Johnathan Thurston (North Queensland Cowboys)

Think I'll try for a full set of signed parallels.

Ross

hobo · Jun 24, 2014

2014 ESP Elite St George set = 37 cards

My guess only.......

Commons: 109-117
Parallels: 109-117
Gold Parallels: 109-117
Master and Apprentice: Creagh and de Belin
World Cup Heroes: WCH9 Morris
World Cup heroes Parallel: WCHP9 Morris
Pride and Passion: Nightingale / Widdop / Hunt
Women In League: WL13 Morris
Young Gun: YG13 Quinlan
League Sensation: LS13 Dugan

P_Phillips · Jun 25, 2014

Looks like a nice set but like a lot of other people I agree there a far to many parallels. In fact 1 parallel is 1 to many.

Only possible change I would have liked is for the Master and Apprentice to be on the 1 card like the Double Troubles but a good concept.

troy titans douglas · Jun 25, 2014

P_Phillips said:
Looks like a nice but like a lot of other people I agree there a far to many parallels. In fact 1 parallel is 1 to many.

Only possible change I would have liked is for the Master and Apprentice to be on the 1 card like the Double Troubles but a good concept.

It's funny how some people like some things and others don't

Some like the idea of parallels others don't... Some only like them if they use different pictures of the players

Some like the idea of a back to back card like the fast and furious others would prefer them on a separate card.. If the master and apprentice are a separate card I think they should reflect between the two players on the back

Man so much potential in this set!! Could be great
Let's hope China and their quality control don't Fuck up again

P_Phillips · Jun 25, 2014

Yeah I wouldn't mind the parallels if they used different picture of the player but when it is just the same card doesn't matter of they make it shiny silver, black or gold it doesn't interest me.

Can someone who talks with ESP ask why they found it necessary to have two levels of parallels this year in both their releases? I hope the answer isn't just so they could make more money.

As just some quick maths as I used to try to get a full master set it would take 18 boxes to get the full gold parallel and 6 boxes to get the basic parallel not taking into account the probability of doubles. That is a massive amount of boxes almost 2 cases for a card with the same image but a shiny background.
144 cards divided by 24 packs in a box, then multiply by 3 for the gold.

Matt26 · Jun 25, 2014

P_Phillips said:
Can someone who talks with ESP ask why they found it necessary to have two levels of parallels this year in both their releases? I hope the answer isn't just so they could make more money.

The thing is an extra parallel set would likely cost them money, especially when the pack price is the same as last year.

For them, like Traders they were looking at adding some extra value into the release by having a different parallel.

Cheers
Matt

edabomb · Jun 25, 2014

Parallels really annoy me. I could cope with one set of them - but two is really frustrating haha.

Especially when it comes at the expense of 3 other commons. Give me a team set of 15 with 15 parallels over a team set of 9 with two sets of parallels.

hobo · Jun 25, 2014

edabomb said:
Parallels really annoy me. I could cope with one set of them - but two is really frustrating haha.

Especially when it comes at the expense of 3 other commons. Give me a team set of 15 with 15 parallels over a team set of 9 with two sets of parallels.

I feel a bit the same way; I would like more commons and please why not include a team header card they look good in pages and are ideal for auto's of the players not included in the release. However I don't mind the added value of an extra parallel set (although would probably p^ss me off if I was collecting a master set)

Ross

Diggaz TC · Jun 25, 2014

I like the parallels and the extra collectability they provide.

Matt26 · Jun 25, 2014

From ESP on Twitter!

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The first air freighted box of NRL Elite Trading Cards has arrived in Australia! #comingsoon

shane_sharks · Jun 25, 2014

#hurryup

MikeK · Jun 25, 2014

I've enjoyed keeping up with discussion as it's progressed. I think keeping team set numbers low for the ELITE set is the correct thing to do - Traders is imo where the large team sets should be found. The cards in the flyer look great and I can certainly see some thought has gone into the expanded range of inserts - well done ESP. Again, I agree that having different backgrounds for the same shopped player insert pic is disappointing. The thing I really liked about the 2013 Elite Signature inserts was that the central design merged into a white border - it just looks nice (and also hides any tiny corner dings much better than a coloured border). It was disappointing personally to see that only the (unsigned) Heroes parallels have this same aesthetically pleasing design feature.

As a master set collector though (the joys of starting collecting when there were only 115 cards in a set and "inserts" comprised checklists and stickers), I've found the 2014 Traders set very daunting (and I'm still about 9 cards short), so being faced with ANOTHER 600+ card set, especially with yet another 1 in 3 full parallel set, has got me questioning should I even bother, especially as some of the 2014 Traders boxes I busted had parallels that were EXACTLY the same (with the exception of IND, GS and RTS cards - and even then 1 box was EXACTLY the same as another).

So, personally, pros and cons.

Regards
Mike

PS: Who's going to give me a really good deal on 2 (TWO) sealed (not opened and checked to make sure everything is there) cases shipped to Perth??

redtorana · Jun 25, 2014

MikeK said:
I've enjoyed keeping up with discussion as it's progressed. I think keeping team set numbers low for the ELITE set is the correct thing to do - Traders is imo where the large team sets should be found. The cards in the flyer look great and I can certainly see some thought has gone into the expanded range of inserts - well done ESP. Again, I agree that having different backgrounds for the same shopped player insert pic is disappointing. The thing I really liked about the 2013 Elite Signature inserts was that the central design merged into a white border - it just looks nice (and also hides any tiny corner dings much better than a coloured border). It was disappointing personally to see that only the (unsigned) Heroes parallels have this same aesthetically pleasing design feature.

As a master set collector though (the joys of starting collecting when there were only 115 cards in a set and "inserts" comprised checklists and stickers), I've found the 2014 Traders set very daunting (and I'm still about 9 cards short), so being faced with ANOTHER 600+ card set, especially with yet another 1 in 3 full parallel set, has got me questioning should I even bother, especially as some of the 2014 Traders boxes I busted had parallels that were EXACTLY the same (with the exception of IND, GS and RTS cards - and even then 1 box was EXACTLY the same as another).

So, personally, pros and cons.

Regards
Mike

PS: Who's going to give me a really good deal on 2 (TWO) sealed (not opened and checked to make sure everything is there) cases shipped to Perth??

With the Wholesale price of a box up by around 20% and no discounts with IKON on cases there won`t be too many cheap boxes available this year .....

Folders have increased to $29.99 but they do have an extra packet this year but only from dealers folders not the Newsagents as they only have 1packet at $24.95.....

troy titans douglas · Jun 25, 2014

Folders were very undervalued previously
And overproduced

redtorana · Jun 25, 2014

troy titans douglas said:
Folders were very undervalued previously
And overproduced

Lets just hope the folders are a better quality than previous years if we are paying more for them .....

joemistos · Jun 25, 2014

finally a decent release to collect its good to see esp listening to collectors

edabomb · Jun 25, 2014

hobo said:
I feel a bit the same way; I would like more commons and please why not include a team header card they look good in pages and are ideal for auto's of the players not included in the release. However I don't mind the added value of an extra parallel set (although would probably p^ss me off if I was collecting a master set)

Ross

I actually don't mind the rarer special parallel set - it at least puts a bit of a challenge into collecting them.

The straight parallel set could be replaced by something else. Maybe a set of 5 Holden Cup players for each team inserted one in every two packs.

I can even customise my old suggestion to a 15 team set.
9 commons (ie. 1 - 9 in checklist) and 9 parallels

6 other cards per team containing players not featured in the team set.
1 x captain foil (FC1)
1 x star forward foil (FC2)
1 x star back foil (FC3)
1 x rookie foil (FC4)
1 x Holden Cup player foil (FC5)
1 x Club Legend (FC6)

Kreepz · Jun 25, 2014

They could release a set with 5 sets of different foils n I'll be happy but I think the problem is they're using the same picture for all of them. Using the same pic makes it like the base set but with a shiny background and will be low in value, using a different pic will make it more unique I think

The Mad Hatter · Jun 25, 2014

redtorana said:
Lets just hope the folders are a better quality than previous years if we are paying more for them .....

My son has had his 2014 Traders in a 2013 Traders folder - three different ones. Just wear and tear, flipping pages and carrying to and from school, the metal binder has broken away thrice.

The Mad Hatter · Jun 25, 2014

They should do a diamond parallel set, where there is only ONE produced of each player - so 144 for this set. TOTAL.

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