2013 ESP Elite NRL Cards Thread (Updated 5/8/13)
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goldcoasttradingcards
OzCardTrader
I have never seen or heard about the ball redemptions but considering there is so many unsold cases still in the warehouse they may be still in there.
Apparently there was supposed to be a heritage jersey card in there but it didn't happen for some reason.
I love a lot of the spiel ESP give about their cards but they just don't seem to be able to produce cards to back it up. If trading cards had never been produced until now then their mistakes so far would have been acceptable. Since Select have produced so many series over the last 12 years, as a new supplier I would have gone and bought several boxes of their cards to see what mistakes they had made so I didn't make them myself. Obviously ESP didn't do this or they would not have made the basic mistakes they have done so far. The different numbers of cards being signed is also very disturbing. Buyers would have screamed at select for dishing up all the lies.......
Well lets not completely rewrite the history on Select just yet. They had plenty of shitty releases and other issues including easy searching of cases for redemptions and collation issues that frustrated the hell out of people.
As someone who has absolutely hammered ESP for Limited Edition and Traders (go check my blog!) Elite, on face value, seems to be a massive step forward.
Also given the sell sheet is out i see little prospect of changes in the product at this stage. With only 4 weeks until release they would have had to have printing completed by now.
As someone who has absolutely hammered ESP for Limited Edition and Traders (go check my blog!) Elite, on face value, seems to be a massive step forward.
Also given the sell sheet is out i see little prospect of changes in the product at this stage. With only 4 weeks until release they would have had to have printing completed by now.
The game used ball info was shown on all of the sales collateral including the boxes the cards were sold in:
The Heritage jersey cards were meant to be produced but they had issues with them so they decided to hold off on them. Id rather they do this than put a sub standard item in their packs.
In relation to the different numbers of cards being signed, im guessing this is to do with people not necessarily knowing the print runs and quoting different figures?
Personally, the only issues i had with the first 2 releases wasn't the cards they were producing....I mean their first release contained autos of both the Origin Captains, Test Captains and All Star Captains along with a dual auto and jersey cards (not game worn) and the ball redemptions, the issue was to do with the price of the packs and ratios of inserts. You didn't get enough bang for you buck and there were boxes were the best cards you got were the 1 in 3 parallels.
Traders had some nice cards, 2 immortal signatures, 16 young Guns signatures but the issue was the value they offered as the insert sets were too small, and there was a large gap between a 1 per box insert and the next insert up which was the Young Guns. There was no incentive to go back busting packs as it didn't take long to get all of the basic (non auto) inserts. For me quality wasn't an issue here except for a spelling mistake which they are fixing.
In this new release it appears they have taken on board the feedback that a lot of people have provided.....the value appears to be there, there are 36 signature cards and this contains a majority of the best players on each team. The Future stars autos will be highly sought after and the design on these from the sell sheet looks pretty good.
Don't get me wrong, they aren't perfect, but they are listening trying to improve and not pumping out the same stuff year after year.
Cheers
Matt
goldcoasttradingcards
OzCardTrader
When good old Dynamic were around we owned shops in QLD (Suuporters Paradise) selling NRL & AFL merchandise including lots of trading cards. After Dynamic went down the gurgler I was so pi**ed off at the industry I sold every trading card in our possession and never stocked cards again. I really felt dishonest selling their cards as they told everyone different information on cards just like ESP do. At the end of the day sellers, buyers & collectors all have to feel happy about what is released or the market dies as it is not a product people need to buy such as clothing. We all buy & sell trading cards because we like it and want to collect them.
ESP are making similar mistakes to what Dynamic did and that is ridiculous considering that was 20 years ago and technology has changed dramatically in that time. So why did ESP release 2 series of unnumbered signed cards after these mistakes were made years ago so should not have been repeated in todays market.
As I said before I really like the spiel ESP give on each series but so far none of the 3 series they have released have gone close to backing it up.
The best bit for me personally is that my sales from the earlier select series have really picked up
as quite a few collectors are not buying ESP cards at all or in very limited numbers so they are spending that money on older sets.
I haven't said a lot about ESP until now as I thought give them time they will fix it up but now we are already seeing different numbers of cards signed for this series and they have just told us about the new security system on the cards so giving us the right numbers should be very easy now due to the level of security involved.
I have bought about 12 cases of ESP cards and that is over 3 series. With Strike and Dynasty we ended up buying over 50 cases from each series.........
thenamesgould
OzCardTrader
Huh? It's 130 of the star sigs, it says so on the flyers.
Even your beloved Select got extra cards signed by the player in case a sig was scratched in the pack ... it's a positive thing for the collector that they are getting extras done.
goldcoasttradingcards
OzCardTrader
how do you explain the 180 cards in the picture? how many young guns are there since there is emails from esp & ikon saying 130, 200 & 260.
Select made mistakes to and all I want is an honest company producing NRL cards.
I don't care who produces them as long as they are quality cards and the information is the same no matter who tells you.
By the way do you work for ESP or Ikon? Obviously its one of them......lol
Jeez, a lot of interesting discussion about this release, more so than Dynasty I think. This morning I was again looking at the flyer to see what it was going to cost me to get the cards I want from this series.
So with box price going to have a RRP of $144 what does everyone think they are going to sell for, I reckon about the $130 mark. As for the signatures and inserts, here are my thoughts (pls feel free to comment if you think I am way off base).
League Sensations - I reckon they should fetch about the $180 mark, not bad for a card out of 130.
Future Stars - like the Young Guns I reckon about the $120 mark.
F&F Gold - I reckon about the 80 mark we will see them go for.
F&F - prob about $20.
Aust Rep Players - $10 ea or thereabouts.
Triple Threat - I reckon about $5 ea
Thoughts?
So with box price going to have a RRP of $144 what does everyone think they are going to sell for, I reckon about the $130 mark. As for the signatures and inserts, here are my thoughts (pls feel free to comment if you think I am way off base).
League Sensations - I reckon they should fetch about the $180 mark, not bad for a card out of 130.
Future Stars - like the Young Guns I reckon about the $120 mark.
F&F Gold - I reckon about the 80 mark we will see them go for.
F&F - prob about $20.
Aust Rep Players - $10 ea or thereabouts.
Triple Threat - I reckon about $5 ea
Thoughts?
at first look the future stars should be going for about that, but you'd have to think more than that considering they are less than half the print of the young gun traders. i know they are easier to pull but still, with less being out there i reckon they will go for more, especially in the beginning
thenamesgould
OzCardTrader
I explained it in the very post you are quoting? All trading card companies get extra sig cards done in case some are damaged.
There's 260 each of the Young Guns.
I live in NZ so obviously don't work for any of those companies.
Cheapest bet will be to buy three boxes (hopefully getting one of each of the 1:72 cards) and swap on here for the team you want, I reckon. We should be able to set up a thread to get some good swaps going if everyone gets behind it!
Cheapest bet will be to buy three boxes (hopefully getting one of each of the 1:72 cards) and swap on here for the team you want, I reckon. We should be able to set up a thread to get some good swaps going if everyone gets behind it![/quote]
Great idea providing they decide to release all club signatures at the same time. Not like the last debacle.
Great idea providing they decide to release all club signatures at the same time. Not like the last debacle.
thenamesgould
OzCardTrader
Haha, true, hadn't thought of that. Given it's a much smaller release, you'd expect them to all show up a lot faster.
