2010/11 Premier League Thread

[Matty76]

Is there a more whining, moaning, carping sook in world football than Arsene Wenger? Fair dinkum, does that bloke EVER take responsibility when (again) Arsenal don't win games that they should?

They should have put Liverpool away (which as a Liverpool fan I readily admit) and once again Arsenal didn't shut the gate.

 

[ljandkg]

Is there a more whining, moaning, carping sook in world football than Arsene Wenger? Fair dinkum, does that bloke EVER take responsibility when (again) Arsenal don't win games that they should?

They should have put Liverpool away (which as a Liverpool fan I readily admit) and once again Arsenal didn't shut the gate.

I think Rio Ferdinand would run him close....

 

[Warney]

OMG! Was watching the game via Live Commentary on a iPod app at the end of the match and once they sunk the penalty i turned it off thinking it was game over and this morning discovered that Kuyt scored after that!

Stoke murdered Bolton 5-0 to progress to the FA Cup Final.

 

[Heafy83]

Aresenal fans are such sooks. Both were clearly penalties. Wenger is becoming as bad as fergie in his old age. *****ing and moaning when things don't go your way. Toughen up Aresenal princesses........ maybe next year

 

[rishgoon]

Aresenal fans are such sooks. Both were clearly penalties. Wenger is becoming as bad as fergie in his old age. *****ing and moaning when things don't go your way. Toughen up Aresenal princesses........ maybe next year

One was clearly a penalty. The other was a blatant dive. But its been pretty obvious how low Liverpool have sunk for some time. Quality player Lucas.
And your spot on. Maybe next year. Definitely not the case for Liverpool who are heading in the opposite direction to Arsenal.
You'll Never Win Again.

 

[Heafy83]

One was clearly a penalty. The other was a blatant dive. But its been pretty obvious how low Liverpool have sunk for some time. Quality player Lucas.
And your spot on. Maybe next year. Definitely not the case for Liverpool who are heading in the opposite direction to Arsenal.
You'll Never Win Again.

You mad bro??? Both clearly penalties no dive just a tangle and a nudge. Liverpool low??? You know you are lower than a snakes bumhole when you have to blame the refs. What's with Wenger after the game? What does he expect kenny to do, give him the win? Wenger should have saved it for the cameras i would have told him to peeve off as well.
We may be in a bad place but Arsenal are just peeved because in the last two years they should have won at least one title with their fixtures and results but no they have choked.
The mighty Liverpool will rise again. Remember the debt has been taken care of so nothing to hold us back. We will be back again next year..... mark my words. Oh btw good luck keeping Fabregas with no money and your stadium debt

 

[bo3197]

KUYT with the penalty and scores!!!!!!!!!!

1-1 draw... Arsenal have lost thei chance and Liverpool stay in Europa Position, hoping for a shot at 4th

 

[Warney]

Your joking aren't you? They have NO chance of finishing 4th..

Absolute BS with this PFA Award.. Gareth Bale won it- as much as i like him he has done nothing this year in the premier league.. He has 7 goals and 3 assists right? Nani has 9 goals and 18 assists in the PL alone! But once again it is the FA preventing any major player awards going United's way..

In other news, the Young Player went to Wilshere, really liking the look of this kid.. will be one of the best as he gets older..

And the PFA Team of the Year:

Van der Sar (Man Utd)
Sagna (Arsenal), Vidic (Man Utd), Kompany (Man City), Cole (Chelsea)
Nani (Man Utd), Nasri (Arsenal), Wilshere (Arsenal), Bale (Tottenham)
Tevez (Man City), Berbatov (Man Utd).

Awesome team right there, not sure if Cole deserved a place in that team though.. what about Baines?? :S

 

[sgt_pepper]

i dont think its got anything to do with the FA trying to stop united getting awards?!? i mean they have won the last 4 PFA awards, and the most not only since the epl started, but since the award has been given.
and theres more to it than just goals and assists. otherwise berba would be waaaay ahead of nani.
in saying that, i do agree that it shouldnt have gone to bale. nani is on my list above him, but nasri is my pick.
agreed on wilshere. looks good. and baines aswell...

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You mad bro??? Both clearly penalties no dive just a tangle and a nudge. Liverpool low??? You know you are lower than a snakes bumhole when you have to blame the refs. What's with Wenger after the game? What does he expect kenny to do, give him the win? Wenger should have saved it for the cameras i would have told him to peeve off as well.
We may be in a bad place but Arsenal are just peeved because in the last two years they should have won at least one title with their fixtures and results but no they have choked.
The mighty Liverpool will rise again. Remember the debt has been taken care of so nothing to hold us back. We will be back again next year..... mark my words. Oh btw good luck keeping Fabregas with no money and your stadium debt

penalty was 50-50, but i think wenger meant it in regards to the extra 3 minutes added on. and dalglish comes off as a fool in his post game quotes, but not low. arsenal may have choked in the last few years, but they were there.
i also i think you got your numbers a little wrong. both clubs are in debt, and liverpool's has been getting worse consistantly for the last 5 years, while arsenal remains in the top 5 richest clubs. plus theyre leaving anfield, so theyll have their own stadium debt to deal with.

 

[Heafy83]

i dont think its got anything to do with the FA trying to stop united getting awards?!? i mean they have won the last 4 PFA awards, and the most not only since the epl started, but since the award has been given.
and theres more to it than just goals and assists. otherwise berba would be waaaay ahead of nani.
in saying that, i do agree that it shouldnt have gone to bale. nani is on my list above him, but nasri is my pick.
agreed on wilshere. looks good. and baines aswell...


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penalty was 50-50, but i think wenger meant it in regards to the extra 3 minutes added on. and dalglish comes off as a fool in his post game quotes, but not low. arsenal may have choked in the last few years, but they were there.
i also i think you got your numbers a little wrong. both clubs are in debt, and liverpool's has been getting worse consistantly for the last 5 years, while arsenal remains in the top 5 richest clubs. plus theyre leaving anfield, so theyll have their own stadium debt to deal with.

Our debt has been taken care of through the takeover. We no longer owe the banks a cent. Any debt we have sits within the company that took us over and not with the club. Arsenal however are still independantly owned, at this stage, thus are the ones who owe the bank.
Once again if the club builds a new stadium it will be paid by our owners and debt will sit with them. Yes club revenues etc will pay it off but if the banks want their money they go to the company not us.

The 3 extra minutes were Arsenal's own fault. When the Liverpool took the free kick Arsenal tried to waste time by giving the ref a hard time setting the wall. Thats what took the time and thus the ref had to take it into account. Plus any soccer fan should know that the minutes they show on the board is the MINIMUM extra time to be played not exact. It is at the refs discretion as to when time is actually called.
Debt was the only thing holding us back before and it was only a few years ago we were in that top 5 richest clubs. Times change very quickly my friend.

Its all about sour grapes and sooking for Arsenal at the moment.

 

[ljandkg]

Your joking aren't you? They have NO chance of finishing 4th..

Absolute BS with this PFA Award.. Gareth Bale won it- as much as i like him he has done nothing this year in the premier league.. He has 7 goals and 3 assists right? Nani has 9 goals and 18 assists in the PL alone! But once again it is the FA preventing any major player awards going United's way..

In other news, the Young Player went to Wilshere, really liking the look of this kid.. will be one of the best as he gets older..

And the PFA Team of the Year:

Van der Sar (Man Utd)
Sagna (Arsenal), Vidic (Man Utd), Kompany (Man City), Cole (Chelsea)
Nani (Man Utd), Nasri (Arsenal), Wilshere (Arsenal), Bale (Tottenham)
Tevez (Man City), Berbatov (Man Utd).

Awesome team right there, not sure if Cole deserved a place in that team though.. what about Baines?? :S

WHAT????? Are u serious - Ryan Giggs anyone??? He won it 2 years ago and he only started about 10 games!!!! That was the biggest laugher of ANY award EVER - Like giving Jason Kidd the MVP for being a great player for 15 years. Then last year Rooney won it ahead of Drogba who was by far and away the best player. You're flat out wrong saying Nani deserved it. Did he deserve a nomination? Quite possibly, did Bale deserve it - possibly not? But to say there's a United bias is downright nuts.

I could argue Kompany should have been nominated, he's played amazing, not been sent off or missed any games in a rock solid defence.

Van der Sar as the goalie of the year??? Where's that drop catch vid???

 

[sgt_pepper]

Our debt has been taken care of through the takeover. We no longer owe the banks a cent. Any debt we have sits within the company that took us over and not with the club. Arsenal however are still independantly owned, at this stage, thus are the ones who owe the bank.
Once again if the club builds a new stadium it will be paid by our owners and debt will sit with them. Yes club revenues etc will pay it off but if the banks want their money they go to the company not us.

The 3 extra minutes were Arsenal's own fault. When the Liverpool took the free kick Arsenal tried to waste time by giving the ref a hard time setting the wall. Thats what took the time and thus the ref had to take it into account. Plus any soccer fan should know that the minutes they show on the board is the MINIMUM extra time to be played not exact. It is at the refs discretion as to when time is actually called.
Debt was the only thing holding us back before and it was only a few years ago we were in that top 5 richest clubs. Times change very quickly my friend.

Its all about sour grapes and sooking for Arsenal at the moment.

i wasnt defending arsenes POV, just saying what it was. he thought 3 extra minutes was too much. me? well its not up to me...
debt also wasnt the only thing holding you back. no depth being the major flaw. debt has little to do with it in the end. just look at madrid & united.
im not an arsenal fan...just putting in my two bits.
plus any 'soccer' fan should know to call it football...

 

[Heafy83]

i wasnt defending arsenes POV, just saying what it was...
debt also wasnt the only thing holding you back. no depth being the major flaw.
im not an arsenal fan...just putting in my two bits.
plus any 'soccer' fan should know to call it football...

Difference with Chelsea and the Liverpool takeovers was Chelsea was done by a private investor the Liverpool one was done by an investment firm. They took over Liverpool and hence took over their debt. The debt is now associated with the firm and not the club. Of course they will like to pay it off using club revenues etc. When the bank comes to collect they will not go to Liverpool they will go to the investment firm. The reason we had no depth is because of our debt and hence inability to buy players.
Finally in Australia we call it soccer

 

[sgt_pepper]

there is no difference. youre saying a firm took over liverpool so they took over the debt, but the same thing happens when a roman or mike ashley comes along...the debt is still directly linked to the club. if the banks come for the firm, the firm can sell off its assets (ie the club/players) to pay them back.
and saying you had no funds to buy players is a cop out. the same thing happened after the hicks take-over. lots of talk about spending cash and reforming the team. 22mill for torres. 18mill for johnson. and now 30mill for carroll?!? but in the end, there are bigger problems.
like i said, debt has little do with pitch performance. united are heavy in debt. madrid are owned by banks. they both still make it to finals...
please note, im not saying liverpool cant achieve over the next few years.
i get that you call it soccer, but i dont get why? all the other leagues already have names? plus football was football first. plus its the only one were you can only use your foot.

 

[Heafy83]

there is no difference. youre saying a firm took over liverpool so they took over the debt, but the same thing happens when a roman or mike ashley comes along...the debt is still directly linked to the club. if the banks come for the firm, the firm can sell off its assets (ie the club/players) to pay them back.
and saying you had no funds to buy players is a cop out. the same thing happened after the hicks take-over. lots of talk about spending cash and reforming the team. 22mill for torres. 18mill for johnson. and now 30mill for carroll?!? but in the end, there are bigger problems.
like i said, debt has little do with pitch performance. united are heavy in debt. madrid are owned by banks. they both still make it to finals...
please note, im not saying liverpool cant achieve over the next few years.
i get that you call it soccer, but i dont get why? all the other leagues already have names? plus football was football first. plus its the only one were you can only use your foot.

Obviously you don't understand where I am coming from and I'm tired of trying to explain it.

Of course debt and money make a HUGE difference. We have spent no where near the cash the likes of United, City, Chelsea etc have over the years. Yes we have bought one or two players but nothing comparable to any of the other clubs.
Yes Man U etc are in debt and may be owned by banks but they just happened to have these players before the sh*t hit the fan. If Man U don't start doing something about their debt I can see them going the same way as Liverpool.
This is the reason why the smaller clubs can't compete and win the league because they don't have the cash to buy the top players and deepen their squads. To say cash and debt have nothing to do with it is a joke.

In regards to the label of soccer in Australia. Whether the FFA or whoever it is likes it or not as long as they try and force the European Football title down Australian's necks it will never take off. The two largest codes in Australia are AFL and NRL and have a deeper heritage and histroy in this country than soccer. If they were to realise this and try and create its own identity rather than try and say this is Football and is better than your code and is the true football yadda yadda yadda then it would probably be successful.
Look at the MLS. A thriving league created around its own identity that kept the soccer label. We as Australian do things differently here and the sooner the FFA realise this the better. I mean come on they call it football yet the national side is the socceroos....... what a joke.

 

[sgt_pepper]

not trying to start anything here. i agree with your views on the national league and its place in australia. personally i couldnt care less about the a-league or what happens to football in this country. i never implied football was better than any of the other codes around either. and i dont think it will ever break into the 'top 3' over here. my bewilderment was more at the word soccer. strange word. and no real reason to have it, since everyone calls there code by a different name already. and football just fits.
i also never said cash had nothing to do with winning. you just slipped that in there with debt (you can spend big cash while in debt), and since all the worlds top clubs are in debt, i fail to see how debt alone can stop a team like liverpool from having a little success. they couldve spent more. arsenal hardly spend anything, and ok, they havent won anything in years, but theyre closer than liverpool have been.
and im not sure what you mean by that they had all the players before the sh!t hit the fan? the last time manutd got players handed to them without spending big was 15 years ago? and no other club around has been that lucky since, and they all spend big $$$, and theyre all in debt...but they win stuff.
so, i'll concede/lose and say liverpool are debt free, but you cant claim lilverpools troubles will be over because they no longer owe money. even if they go and spend big, doesnt mean the players will perform. and there are enough clubs out there now who are willing to spend big, debt or no debt, so breaking into the top 4 will be even harder. alot of factors involved.

 

[Warney]

WHAT????? Are u serious - Ryan Giggs anyone??? He won it 2 years ago and he only started about 10 games!!!! That was the biggest laugher of ANY award EVER - Like giving Jason Kidd the MVP for being a great player for 15 years. Then last year Rooney won it ahead of Drogba who was by far and away the best player. You're flat out wrong saying Nani deserved it. Did he deserve a nomination? Quite possibly, did Bale deserve it - possibly not? But to say there's a United bias is downright nuts.

I could argue Kompany should have been nominated, he's played amazing, not been sent off or missed any games in a rock solid defence.

Van der Sar as the goalie of the year??? Where's that drop catch vid???

every goalkeeper makes mistakes Alistair, you know that.. The point is that he is still is playing well at 40 and he has had a great season between the sticks- who would you have in goal??

 

[ljandkg]

every goalkeeper makes mistakes Alistair, you know that.. The point is that he is still is playing well at 40 and he has had a great season between the sticks- who would you have in goal??

Don't call me Alistair - only my Mum calls me that... Haha

TBO I couldn't say. I just find it odd that someone who made the goalie error of the year (and I include Grren's WC fluff there) can be goalie of the year. The fact he's still playing well at 40 is completely irrelevant. Does he get the vote cos he's 40??

I think sometimes when they pick TOTY awards they just chuck in the player who start for the best teams and of course they have the best defences!

I can really only comment on Hart, as he's who I have seen most. He had a stuff up for one goal this year when he and a defender left it for each other. a 50/50 one. Otherwise he's been excellent....The other thing to look at is the goals conceded and United is 4th with 32 behind City (31) Arse (30) and Chelsea way down at 26 - so does Cech get it??

No come back on the Nani 'snub'??

 

[Warney]

Don't call me Alistair - only my Mum calls me that... Haha

TBO I couldn't say. I just find it odd that someone who made the goalie error of the year (and I include Grren's WC fluff there) can be goalie of the year. The fact he's still playing well at 40 is completely irrelevant. Does he get the vote cos he's 40??

I think sometimes when they pick TOTY awards they just chuck in the player who start for the best teams and of course they have the best defences!

I can really only comment on Hart, as he's who I have seen most. He had a stuff up for one goal this year when he and a defender left it for each other. a 50/50 one. Otherwise he's been excellent....The other thing to look at is the goals conceded and United is 4th with 32 behind City (31) Arse (30) and Chelsea way down at 26 - so does Cech get it??

No come back on the Nani 'snub'??

Not planning on defending anyone mate, not going to bother really..

Look, i'll be honest, when i saw that the team was announced i immediately thought who was in there for United- Nani, Vidic and Berba, didn't think of VDS mainly as there were some better keepers. I would of gave it to either Foster or Hart but in saying that they both made there mistakes over the season as all keepers do.

And no you don't get a vote for being 40, you get votes for excellent pieces of goalkeeping and consistency. Age is irrelevant in the voting, your right, but just look at some of his goalkeeping (in particular saves) and you'll believe me when i saw he deserved it. My memorable save this year was against Chelsea in the UCL when Torres had a free header inside the 6-yard box, smacked it towards the top corner and Van der Sar overcame a pretty bad angle and position to put in a full stretch and game-winning save. Personally i would of had this team.

Van der Sar (Man Utd)
Sagna (Arsenal), Vidic (Man Utd), Kompany (Man City), Baines (Everton)
Nani (Man Utd), Nasri (Arsenal), Wilshere (Arsenal), Bale (Tottenham)
Tevez (Man City), Berbatov (Man Utd).

Not really sure why Sagna is in there but in saying that the quality of Right Backs in the League is s***house. In my opinion, Ashley Cole did nothing, Leighton Baines to me was almost unknown before the start of the season but after watching him in a few games (v Chelsea late free-kick to send to pens) he looks deserving of a place in this team.

 

[ljandkg]

It's a good team no doubt! Cole is there I guess on his reputation - he's the fastest back in the league and I'd love to have him at City - although I'd also hate to have him as well. World's biggest tosser....

VDS has had a good season, Hart too, he just got us into the cup final with that Berba save at the start and the Nani free kick near the end. Hart's still so young too - and keepers are late bloomers - he's a very exciting prospect...

Toure is the only other City player who was a chance of making the team of the year. He's been excellent - they don't tend to pick ball win ners in those teams though, only goal scorers or assist guys. The PFA team would struggle to win the ball if they lost it with lightweights like Nasri and Wiltshire!! With De Jong and Toure inmy team I'd back us to keep it all day!!