Flawless - the straw that broke the camel's back.

[kenny3011]

IMO the base cards look very average for such an expensive product and no gimicky diamond or emerald can make me think otherwise.

The giant patch cards, whilst having ridiculously nice patches, have a silly window shape. And then, because of the patch size, the picture of the player has been pushed to the top of the card so much that the top of their heads are cut-off (not all).

Thats abysmal card design IMO.

Agree with this 100%, I actually don't mind such a high end product and was pretty excited to see what they could come with at the $1000+ price point, but the execution so far is looking very poor

Design - Though very clean it looks like they put no effort into it at all, basically every card is a white background with foil wording and boarders. Take the base auto card for example (http://paniniamerica.files.wordpres...012-13-flawless-basketball-autos-38.jpg?w=623) and compare it to this Exquisite card (which IMO is a blatant copy) (http://i.ebayimg.com/t/11-12-UD-Exq...eq/$T2eC16h,!)oFIeK7Zd76BSNiepw7Ew~~60_57.JPG) , both have the clean white design with foil, yet the Exquisite manages to look a lot better.

And also they took the PMG hype too far with the green and red foil, the only cards that actually look good with that are the Emerald base cards

And then when you compare it to Immaculate which is Panini's best looking product so far, it makes the design look even lazier

Checklist - Of course you can't blame Panini for the secondary market prices, but at $150 a card there are way too many autos of guys whose autos sell for under $10 usually like Randolph, Fox, Calderon, Dragic, Jamison, Varajao, King, Chambers,Eaton etc.

 

[Chris_Paul3]

This is the effect the "Investors" have created the " Sky High Prices" on singles , even Pannini has jumped in and said well if cards are selling so high for singles on the secondary market why not sting them straight of the bat .

 

[iwantgarnett2012]

best thing to do is we should not
support this panini flawless products
cheers!

 

[iwantgarnett2012]

fleer57
if you haave hi end mj 90s inserts pls pmme

 

[DGCollectables]

The boycott of Flawless continues

Soon they will be doing sticker emeralds and manufactured diamonds...

 

[West Oz Cards]

best thing to do is we should not
support this panini flawless products
cheers!

There's always someone that can afford the product, even if they made it $2000 a pack of 5 cards. Its just that most of us are not that person.

As the Oz Group Break Flawless team break 1 & 2 has shown, people can afford to buy into a group break in the bleak hope of owning even a base card of this stuff.

 

[drobfan8]

There's always someone that can afford the product, even if they made it $2000 a pack of 5 cards. Its just that most of us are not that person.

As the Oz Group Break Flawless team break 1 & 2 has shown, people can afford to buy into a group break in the bleak hope of owning even a base card of this stuff.

100% correct, there's some big time collectors out there with plenty of money to burn. Probably 1000 of them easily.

I'm wondering how long until Panini just start releasing packs with 1 team ONLY in each pack.

It'll save the hassle of group breaks.

I'm sure it will happen.

You could just purchase a Cavs pack in the hope you get a Kyrie.

Okc pack

Spurs pack etc. I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[West Oz Cards]

Flawless does have a couple of design flaws, so it can't exactly be called Flawless either. If anyone gets a card with the etching or printing a bit crappy I'd be taking some pics and sending it to Panini and demanding the cost of a box back. hahaha

 

[hsv006]

Lolol
Won't touch this product
How many releases have panini flooded the market with this year
Must be getting up there

 

[WhiteyTheCelticsFan]

Flawless does have a couple of design flaws, so it can't exactly be called Flawless either. If anyone gets a card with the etching or printing a bit crappy I'd be taking some pics and sending it to Panini and demanding the cost of a box back. hahaha

What cards do you actually like?

 

[West Oz Cards]

Many. I am just pointing out the fact that whilst these cards are called Flawless, they indeed are not. Take, for instance my earlier comment on the jumbo patch cards... because of this design, nearly all of the pictures of the players have the tops of their heads cut off.. Not the smartest design wouldn't you say?? Not exactly FLAWLESS.

each to their own i guess.. you stated you like Leaf products over UD and Panini... whilst I find most of their products (leaf metal) borderline repulsive with their lack of licensing for team names/logos and their terrible choice of pictures for some of their cards.

 

[edabomb]

Lolol
Won't touch this product
How many releases have panini flooded the market with this year
Must be getting up there

I just counted via the checklists on their website - 23 releases this season for NBA

Absolute
Base
Brilliance
Crusade
Elite
Elite Series
Gold Standard
Hoops
Innovation
Intrigue
Limited
Marquee
Momentum
National Treasures
Past and PResent
Preferred
Prestige
Prizm
Select
Signatures
Threads
Timeless Treasures
Totally Certified

 

[West Oz Cards]

you'd get a better overall view if those releases are separated into a price bracket as they Panini will release various priced products to be affordable to all levels of the consumer market.

regardless though, I still think its flapping overkill.. and harder for the secondary market to judge card values between the products.

 

[hsv006]

Cheers for the list
I guess it's better to have to many than not enough

 

[GarnettFan4Life]

I just counted via the checklists on their website - 23 releases this season for NBA

Absolute
Base
Brilliance
Crusade
Elite
Elite Series
Gold Standard
Hoops
Innovation
Intrigue
Limited
Marquee
Momentum
National Treasures
Past and PResent
Preferred
Prestige
Prizm
Select
Signatures
Threads
Timeless Treasures
Totally Certified

Farrrrr out!!!

The thing that I can't figure out is redemption cost - SURELY it would come close to being more financially beneficial for someone to catch a plane to a player (current or retired), have them sign for 23 releases and be done with it. Can you IMAGINE the cost of mailing out redemptions worldwide for all these releases and sets! Must cut into the profit margin.

 

[sgt_pepper]

dodgy product that looks boring as sh!t. wouldnt let it stop me from collecting tho. still plenty of cards that will hold their value over time...

 

[araiee]

As far as im concerned Panini really haven't made giant steps in the hobby, they didn't listen to collectors after they stated there was too many redemptions, so what do they do...nothing, keep pumping them out, ignore the collector when they ask whats happening with them, but keep buying our products so you can get more redemptions and end up in a state of deja vu...I have a derrick rose gold stars auto/gu /5 that has been pending since june last year!!! 8 emails to the site and via the hobby link equals one reply some time ago stating rose is coming in soon to sign and we can offer you a replacement if you want, I send a reply asking what can you offer and I get ignored again, nice job Panini, way to treat your loyal customers!!!
another beef, what happened to case hits? in the first two years of their products you were guaranteed a case hit, not now, you get more redemptions of crap players and the checklists have weekened I feel, take for instance the first ever gold standard product, awesome value, I bought about 4 cases and got more than the advertised case hits everytime...
flawless is a gimmicky joke, over priced and over hyped, I think they should have left nt as their prime product, save yourself the heart ache and let everyone else break the product down, let the secondary market fluctuate and buy yourself some nice cards when they hit rock bottom...

 

[hsv006]

Couldnt have said it better myself !!

 

[matty83]

This is an email from David sharp received this morning (panini CSM)

We are about to go back through our basketball redemptions, so I would suggest following back up in about 2 weeks to see what may still be pending. But don’t just contact us for an update. I can assure you that we will send them out if they become available. We get bombarded with “update” emails and requests. If you simply no longer want to wait on them and they are pending past 4 months, then simply send an email requesting replacements.

Im not sure how i feel about this response yet.