Cardzone, what a joke
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punkologist
OzCardTrader
So just read through this whole thread. I must say I have always thought card zone was rip off and this confirms it. It's a shame as it is so close to my work and very convenient.
So he is the sole distributor of Select in Australia? That's a joke, do select know about his disgusting anti-competitive business practices? No wonder you don't see the cards around as much if he is basically killing the wholesale market by forcing you to buy thousands of dollars worth of stuff you cant sell just so you can buy new stuff. Is that kind of behaviour even legal? Lets dob him in to the ACCC.
Where else can you go to get AFL card boxes retail online? I want to get series 2 in August but not from him.
So he is the sole distributor of Select in Australia? That's a joke, do select know about his disgusting anti-competitive business practices? No wonder you don't see the cards around as much if he is basically killing the wholesale market by forcing you to buy thousands of dollars worth of stuff you cant sell just so you can buy new stuff. Is that kind of behaviour even legal? Lets dob him in to the ACCC.
Where else can you go to get AFL card boxes retail online? I want to get series 2 in August but not from him.
Mr Paparazzi
Adelaide's MOJO maker
Whole reason I was trying to get boxes here in Adelaide and for Ozcardtraders as well. Wonder if it could be done with ACCC. Select from what communication I've had with them Select chose JHL Cardzone's wholesale arm.
Wow!!!...Some pretty strong words have been used against Steve. I think maybe to strong. I have known Steve for about 7 years and have never had a problem with him. Guys, Its pretty simply You don't like his price don't shop with him and defiantly don't talk bullshit behind his back. So what if his case are overpriced and he is making a good profit...Good on him!!
Its also pretty clear why he wouldn't stock prospects as select wouldn't he happy with it.
I would like to see some of you actually say this to his face and not behind his back.
Regards
Eddy
Its also pretty clear why he wouldn't stock prospects as select wouldn't he happy with it.
I would like to see some of you actually say this to his face and not behind his back.
Regards
Eddy
Mr P, I suppose I should have clarified that as Select's Australian Distributor, Select sets the guidelines as to who JHL can sell to at wholesale prices. I know that one of those requirements is that a potential reseller of the product must have the ability to turn over a certain amount of product. Fact is that if you are not interested in Series 1 and only want a few boxes etc of Series 2 then you don't meet the criteria and therefor are not eligible to buy wholesale from JHL.
Done
Daniel, me thinks we need to keep one thing in perspective, Cardzone (about whom this thread is targeted) is NOT the distributor of Select's product. The owner of Cardzone, Mr Steve Wang is also the owner of JHL who is the Australian Distributor. So Cardzone does not set the wholesale price.
As such, Steve can sell his product in Cardzone for whatever price he wants and I know that 9.5 times out of 10 he is right on the money.
IN ADDITION
Its interesting that everyone is pointing the finger at Steve for keeping prices high in his shop but that is his right as a businessman. A lot of members on this forum have indicated that he is manipulating the market, well I will put it out there that ooneil is doing the same thing.
Owen has appointed himself the No 1 authority on trading cards in Australia, how do we know this, because I asked him and he said he appointed himself. It is my opinion that he has deflated prices in his ASCC Magazine so he can buy low. Why do I think this because in the first issue of the magazine, 2008 Centenary foiled signatures were valued, by Owen, at only 10 dollars each from memory, however, nowhere on eBay could you find those cards at that price; I say eBay because that is where Owen looked towards for his market research.
So.........you know what I think, members such as those who are winging and bitching on this forum are just jealous that Steve has survived what near 30 years in the Australian Trading Card and before Owen or anyone thinks of looking towards the ACCC I will ask the editor of the ASCC, what is your ABN for your ASCC Magazine, I searched the ABN Register and could not find anything close..............hmmmmmm
Let the free for all begin..........
Oh and Owen, I will be coming down to Newcastle in August, if there is anything you want me to repeat face to face then not a problem my friend.
punkologist
OzCardTrader
How is a small business supposed to work with these rules? The local newsagent or hobby shop wouldn't sell 3 cases or more of every series and $10,00 worth of stock every year.
tak35bne, Card Zone and JHL basically are the same. They both trade out of the same premises by the same person. He is selling the wholesale product in his store at retail price and locking smaller businesses out of the market. It's anti-competitive practices whichever way you look at it.
Mr Paparazzi
Adelaide's MOJO maker
Yeah agree with that to a degree, but I had no problem of buying 2-3 cases if not more of Series 2 which would have been their minimum allocation of $3500 and $10000 worth of product over the year, but to be told I must purchase lower end product to get the better Series 2 is BullS##t. I have no problems with Steve personally but do not agree on the conditions placed on the wholesale end. Asked another guy who purchases from JHL and he never had to purchase Series 1 AFL to get Series 2. So one rule should apply for all.
Yep. I spend all that time and money to drive down the price of cards for me to buy. Do you realise how absurb you sound.
And you really think im going to discuss my personal financial information with the likes of you. Keep dreaming.
You keep playing the school yard bully though.......
punkologist
OzCardTrader
ok fair enough, how does the newsagents get their boxes? most of them would be lucky to sell 3 boxes let alone 3 cases? Do they just buy them retail and make the money on the retail price of the packs?
The fundamentals are obvious. It seems to me if your buying off ebay and not sharing the cash around, spending time supporting at your local card store then what is going on here is a lack of Card industry knowledge. What Dave has pointed out is black and white. Select is protecting the card industry from Johnny come quicklys, dumping on ebay. Why spend thousands of dollars and 200$ per box and have people believe its worth half that as Owen would make you believe. Wang's prices are reflective of worth, thereby providing longitivity and stabilizing of the card market.Example, the darren Lockyer capt sig worth 750$ in shonky magazine and i saw none go less than 960$. The Lockyer Game worn sig has sold up to 950$ but owen through he's constant "I hate Select bashing and will never buy select picks one up for 450$. So what good luck to you Owen. That does not give you any data to profess the cards worth chief. You are manipulating the market for your own gain. We all know it. As dave said, and you refuse, just give up the facts. It's embarrassing OH Self Annointed One. I could elaborate further on above info. To do that would require heaps of time. Just go and spend time at your local card store. Pick up the knowledge it's all good for your collection young ones. We have just experienced the first true stable period for card collectors and one person turns it into a rort. Rubbish. As i said sheer inexperience and embarrassing for the rest of us to read.
wow, now im confused...overpricing- underpricing, wholesale-retail, anti competitive practices-searching abn registers, ... as a rookie collector 10-15 years back i bought from cardzone and have probably bought from him unknowingly since, he sets the prices and we pay them if we want.it is simple..... so without being a client of his these days, and reading all of this convo.. my stance currently is, steve runs a business(probably succesfully) and probably doesnt deserve to be attacked like this,...... maybe i dont understand the market cornering side to this argument as that would be detrimental to the hobby. all in all, extremely informative, problem is ..how much is fact and how much is personal attacks on other people, just cant tell. ..sitting on the fence. due to confusion and not collecting nrl/afl for a long time.