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This is getting crazy! The LA players showed love and support to both LO and Ariza and both are looking elsewhere.

I understand players wanting more money or to be "The" man on a team but damn u r playing on the best team in the league and both LO and Ariza where playing well and getting good minutes.

What i dont understand is the logic behind their choices. I mean is it that hard to live off what the lakers offered both of them? Are the going to a better team? Dont they like winning rings?

I was pissed about losing Ariza and getting Crazy but i can live with that, but what is LO thinking??? He's 29 now and wants a 5 year deal with the Lakers worth $50 mil? He would then be 34 and way beyond his prime playing little more than Ammo minutes.

If thats the way LO wants to play it then i'd rather we sign him and trade him for some younger up n coming players. Who knows what the Lakers head office is thinking or planning next but just sort it out now damn it...lol
 
Serioulsy WTF LO???What he wins a Ring wants more coin???I would have thought you win a ring atlest come back next season to repeat it...????

I understand that the NBA is a bussiness but seriously if he does leave for more money to go to the heat ill be pissed!!!
 
constant chuffing on the green can really hamper your memory. maybe offer him the same contract again and he'll sign it. i really don't see how a guy who bumbles his way through an nba career can demand that sort of money.
 
constant chuffing on the green can really hamper your memory. maybe offer him the same contract again and he'll sign it. i really don't see how a guy who bumbles his way through an nba career can demand that sort of money.

Agreed mate, but at the same time, I rate him as high (personally) as Marion. If Marion can get it, that's why he thinks he can, therefor it's justified. If Lee can, Odom should be able to.

That said, he's our sixth man, he needs to consider whether staying in LA, being treated like a Rockstar, benefiting from those 'Hollywood' endorsements and winning more Championships is worth a slight paycut. I think it is.

Right now, all LO is doing or trying to do, is testing his market value. He doesn't want to leave, unless there's a problem with Artest being there. Who knows what really goes on. I'd assume going back as far as they do it would make him want to stay even more.

I don't beleive he wants leave, I just think he wants to know what he's worth to other teams before he accepts an LA offer. I'm pretty sure Portland is the last possible team that can do that for him.

FFS LO, just sign on the dotted line already... :p
 
Video leaked! The trouble with re-signing LO. Check it out;

Warning! Coarse Language and Adult Themes

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A little news but nothing on the Odom front unfortunately. :(

Our Christmas day match-up! Shaq goes to Miami, we play The Heat on xmas day. Shaq goes to Phoenix we play The Suns on xmas day. So when Shaq goes to Cleveland, it's to be expected. I'm more hyped up about this match-up than the first two as big as they were.

This will be huge if the big fella stays healthy. :D

From TLN; Report: Lakers vs. Cavs on X-Mas Day 2009 | The Lakers Nation

Report: Lakers vs. Cavs on X-Mas Day 2009

This will be a very damn good X-Mas this year.

Sports Media Watch: The Cleveland Plain-Dealer reports that the Cavaliers are expected to play the Lakers on Christmas Day. The matchup, which would almost certainly air on ABC, would pit Bryant and the defending champion Lakers against James — last year’s MVP — and Bryant’s former teammate Shaquille O’Neal.

In addition to that Christmas Day tilt, the Cavaliers are also expected to play the Celtics on Opening Night.

The 2009-10 NBA schedule is “still a week or two away from … being announced,” an ESPN spokesman told SMW earlier this week. The schedule is usually released in early August.
 
Not surprising...I never did think LO was going to jump ship. Just a bit of noise to get the best contract he could get.

Lakers are now the clear favourites for the 2009-10 title. :thumbsup:
 
damn miami.......

It was never going to happen man. Portaland 'apparently' offered him more than both teams could. He turned that down. Leave a Championship team for less money, cause Wade's was ready to have him back? Please. :lol:

I'm glad the ink has dried up, now we can get back to celebrating this seasons success, knowing we're coming back stronger next season. =D>

I'm glad all that's over with. Good times ahead. :)

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Not surprising...I never did think LO was going to jump ship. Just a bit of noise to get the best contract he could get.

Lakers are now the clear favourites for the 2009-10 title. :thumbsup:

None of the other teams off season moves phase me the slightest all of a sudden. ;)
 
NBA Offseason Buzz: L.A. Lakers

The Lakers avenged their 2008 NBA Finals face-plant against the Boston Celtics, Kobe got his ring sans Shaq and Phil Jackson broke his tie for championships with Red Auerbach. So what's their motivation this time around?

"Proving that Ron Artest isn't title-prohibiting crazy" probably won't be on the cover of the media guide, but it's hard to find a more compelling answer at the moment. It's easy to forget now, but the one question looming over the Lakers last season was whether they had the necessary killer instinct and mental toughness to win a championship. Now the question is, did they forge some permanent inner steel by overcoming Houston, Denver and, finally, Orlando, or will the removal of so many monkeys from so many backs cause them to lose that grit?

Oh, and what happens if Kobe's production begins to decline after his super season?

To see which player is taking off, who is crashing to earth and which name you'll need to know for the 2009-10 season, you must be an ESPN Insider.

Trending Up: Jordan Farmar

Last season: 9.93 PER
2009-10 projection: 12.68 PER

Farmar finished 59th in pure point rating, which was an inexcusable performance for a small, quick guard on a team with this many weapons around him. Even as a scoring guard he was lacking. He made only 39.1 percent of his shots from the floor, and his foul shooting (58.4 percent) has become absolutely indefensible. Overall, he ranked 62nd out of the league's 69 point guards in true shooting percentage and finished with a PER in single digits. For a healthy 22-year-old who posted a 15.29 PER a season earlier, it was an epic crash -- narrowly missing out on the league's largest decline:

Biggest PER drop, 2008-09
Jordan Farmar took a big step back last season, particularly considering his age relative to the other names on this list. (Minimum 500 minutes in both seasons)

Player Team 2007-08 PER 2008-09 PER Difference
Baron Davis LAC 19.85 14.54 -5.41
Jordan Farmar LAL 15.29 9.93 -5.36
Allen Iverson DEN/DET 21.06 15.89 -5.17
Earl Watson OKC 14.57 9.55 -5.02
Chauncey Billups DET/DEN 23.48 18.85 -4.63

On paper, Farmar enters the season as a quasi-backup who will split minutes with Shannon Brown behind Derek Fisher. In reality, much depends on which Farmar shows up. The guy from 2008-09 is unlikely to play much, but he has the talent to perform much, much better and showed it in the 2007-08 campaign. If he plays like that again, he'll blow past Brown and Fisher into the starting job by midseason, because he's clearly the most gifted of the three. He just hasn't determined how to translate his gifts into consistent offensive success yet. -- Hollinger

Trending Down: Kobe Bryant

Last season: 24.46 PER
2009-10 projection: 22.65 PER

First, the bad news: A declining free throw rate is a fairly ominous canary in the coal mine, and Bryant is 31 years old with a lot of mileage on his legs. For that reason, I don't think he'll match last season's numbers.


Having said that, I wouldn't expect a precipitous decline, either. Bryant keeps himself in fantastic shape, has had few knee problems and has already shown he has the smarts to adjust his game to whatever new realities his body deals him. Additionally, the Lakers should be able to manage his minutes carefully and reduce the regular-season wear and tear. That, in fact, may be a bigger drain on his numbers than age -- if he plays, say, 34 minutes a game, his averages will drop no matter how well he performs. -- Hollinger

Bucher's Name to Know: Andrew Bynum

You were expecting Artest, right? Well, it's already out there that Ron-Ron was nuttier in Houston last season than anyone realized and that he no longer has the athleticism to guard quick small forwards the way the departed Trevor Ariza did. Artest can be safely quarantined, though, if Bynum is once more the double-double machine he was right before he tore the medial collateral ligament in his right knee. In case anyone forgot, he was on a streak of five straight double-doubles for a total of 16 in the first 48 games.

Bynum never came close to that form upon his return, failing to get double-digit rebounds in a single playoff game. Concerns about his commitment to getting fit arose during his absence and he still looked to be favoring his right leg. Then issues bubbled up concerning Bynum's focus; rather than blocking shots and cleaning the glass, he seemed preoccupied with scoring, a far less vital ingredient. Nine times he scored in double figures but not once did he get more than nine rebounds. His blocked-shot production was sliced in half.

So if you want to be entertained -- or appalled -- follow Artest's antics. But if you want to know whether the Lakers can repeat or not, keep your eye on Bynum. -- Bucher

Source: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=4411883
 
The kid is still only 21. I think you lose the "huge potential" tag when you hit 24 and still haven't displayed continuous improvement.

Also...i was very confused for a moment after reading your post trying to figure out what Will Bynum had to do with the Lakers :)
 
Will Bynum be a 12 year vet and still next to his name we will see him as listed as 'Huge Potential!'

????????

I'm sorry, but when the kid has gone down twice with the injuries he has, all at such a young age mind you, while he's starting to peak, then that comment is pretty poor observation. Even if only trolling...
 
2009-10 Forecast: Los Angeles Lakers

2008-09 Recap

Is there an opposite of "team of destiny"? The Los Angeles Lakers won 65 regular-season games and needed five games in the NBA Finals to cruise to the championship, but at no time did it feel preordained. In fact, for much of their playoff run the focus was more on the Lakers' problems -- the struggles of Andrew Bynum and Derek Fisher, the lack of toughness that derailed them a year earlier against the Boston Celtics, and a couple of woeful efforts in the second round against Houston.

And despite the white-hot spotlight that glared on the league's most popular team, Boston and the Cleveland Cavaliers stole a lot of the Lakers' limelight during the regular season. For their part, the Lakers didn't really look like champions until the fifth game of the conference finals … at which point they won six out of their next seven to storm to the crown.

The Lakers also threw us off their championship scent with an embarrassing showing in Games 4 and 6 of the Houston Rockets series. Despite playing without Yao Ming, Houston exposed every L.A. weakness -- complacency, softness, lack of quickness at the point guard spot, and shot selection in the backcourt -- en route to a pair of lopsided wins.

In a way, perhaps the Lakers should thank the Rockets. Seeing such a harsh light shone on those weaknesses seemed to compel L.A. to address them, and the sloppy play magically cleaned itself up over the final month. Shannon Brown cemented the guard rotation, Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher stopped forcing the action, and the Lakers benefited from not having to face a point guard with Aaron Brooks' quickness the rest of the postseason.

Additionally, history should have taught us that second-round struggles are a common problem for eventual champions. As I noted at the time, the Lakers are the seventh straight champion to hit a major speed bump in the second round, and surviving those scrapes seemed to propel them toward the championship rather than slow their progress.

That was certainly the case for L.A. But before it could reach that point, a number of events needed to happen to push them to 65 wins and a top seed in the Western Conference. For starters, Lamar Odom accepted a bench role, moving from small forward to power forward in the process. That move netted two huge, positive effects for the Lakers. First, it allowed L.A. to use a devastating three-man frontcourt rotation of Gasol, Bynum and Odom that few opponents could battle. Second, it permitted Trevor Ariza -- filched from Orlando in a trade the previous season -- to move into the starting lineup and solidify the small forward spot.

Less well documented is perhaps the greatest salary dump in franchise history. The Lakers are more renowned for accumulating payroll than shedding it, but it was their divestment of the Vladimir Radmanovic mistake that reaped rewards this time. Guard Shannon Brown, included as a throw-in from Charlotte, provided much-needed stability as a backcourt reserve and hit some huge shots in the playoffs -- most notably when he turned the tide in the crucial Game 5 of the conference finals with an earth-shattering third-quarter dunk.

Brown's addition helped the Lakers overcome two major disappointments -- the off year from Jordan Farmar and the inability of Bynum to come back at full strength from a midseason injury.

Slated as the heir apparent to Fisher at the point, Farmar suffered a nightmare season and was largely out of the rotation by the playoffs. As for Bynum, he played extremely well early in the season, a performance that made L.A. notably stronger at the defensive end over the first half of the season. But for the second year in a row a midseason knee injury threw him off stride. While he returned in the postseason, Bynum proved ineffective until the Finals and never regained the All-Star caliber form he'd shown earlier in the season.

The fact L.A. won the title despite huge setbacks from its two most prominent young players is a testament to the depth and quality of the Lakers' talent. With Bryant and Gasol, the Lakers were a fearsome offensive team even when others struggled, as evidenced by their third-place finish in offensive efficiency.

Unusually for a dominant offensive team, L.A. wasn't particularly good at long-range shooting. The Lakers nailed only 36.1 percent of their 3-pointers, a bit below the league average, and didn't attempt the shot with great frequency.

Instead, L.A. overwhelmed its opposition two points at a time. L.A. claimed the league's fifth-lowest turnover rate and, thanks to the size advantage in the frontcourt, it's third-best offensive rebound rate. As a result, only two teams averaged more shot attempts per possession. Additionally, they were potent shooters inside the arc -- L.A. converted 50.5 percent of its two-point shots, again finishing third in the league. While primarily an offensive team, the Lakers demonstrated an improved defense as well. They ranked fifth in defensive efficiency, with exquisite 3-point defense being their primary calling card.

The Lakers held opponents to only 34.5 percent shooting from the arc, which was the third-best mark in the NBA. They further amplified the impact by convincing opponents to fire from distance -- only three teams allowed a higher rate of 3-pointers per field-goal attempt. While normally that's a bad sign, because L.A. defended the 3 so well, it turned into a positive. In fact, their opposition had a better true shooting percentage inside the arc, which is unusual.

This appeared to be part of a larger defensive strategy by L.A. -- they'd let opponents fire 3s off the dribble on pick-and-rolls, and keep their big men back to protect the basket. Some quick guards were able to take advantage, but many opponents shot themselves out of the game trying. Like most of Phil Jackson's gambits, it worked, and as a result he won a record-setting 10th championship. That wouldn't have shocked anybody if you'd told them before the season, but for much of the spring it seemed they were on a very different path.

Offseason Moves

It's a bit much to call the Lakers fiscally "conservative" -- they're probably going to have the league's highest payroll this season, and their willingness to shell out $15 million more in luxury tax was what made the 2008 heist of Pau Gasol possible.

But for a world champion team that is pulling in revenue by the fistful, L.A. definitely shows caution with marginal payroll increases. In addition to last winter's salary dumps of Radmanovic and Chris Mihm, the Lakers held the line in contract negotiations with three rotation players this summer and avoided trades that would take on additional salary.

Let Trevor Ariza go, signed Ron Artest for five years, $34 million. This was the biggest roll of the dice in the Lakers' summer. They didn't want to pay Ariza more than the midlevel exception and turned to Artest when they couldn't agree on a deal with Ariza. While the risk of paying Artest for five years is huge -- nobody knows what he'll do five minutes from now, let alone five years -- L.A.'s willingness to venture into the tax makes it better able to withstand the risk than most.

The Lakers also benefit in a couple of other ways from this deal. First, Artest is capable of playing the 4, which adds to the Lakers' lineup options. Second, he's a much better spot-up shooter than Ariza -- Artest hit 39.9 percent on 3s last season, while Ariza is at 29.9 percent for his career. Ariza's hot shooting from the corners in the playoffs last season convinced some people that he's a good long-range threat, but history says he's not.

Obviously, this comes with some risks, too. Artest is half a decade older than Ariza, isn't nearly as good a finisher, and may submarine the offense if he isn't willing to become L.A's fourth option. And of course, he's Ron Artest. But the Lakers weren't likely to repeat if they stood pat given the arms race going on in the East, and Artest is unquestionably the league's most qualified player to defend LeBron James one-on-one -- a salient point given the likelihood of facing Cleveland in the Finals.

Re-signed Shannon Brown for two years, $4 million. This was a fair value deal for a great bench energizer in last season's playoff run. Brown had never played well before so he couldn't command the salary he might have as a more proven quantity, but he's a solid insurance policy against flameouts by Fisher and/or Farmar.

Re-signed Lamar Odom for four years, $33 million. This was unquestionably the biggest story of the summer in L.A., as the two sides briefly walked away from the negotiating table when the Lakers wouldn't meet Odom's number. This would have proven hugely costly if Odom had been willing to relocate, because L.A. had no way to replace his spot under the salary cap rules. Fortunately, it turned out to be a great poker move by the Lakers. Odom loves Southern California and desperately wanted to return, so he ended up agreeing to a very favorable deal for L.A. The fourth year is a team option at a lower number than the first three, giving the Lakers a great deal of salary flexibility as they move into the future.

Drafted Chinemelu Elonu. The late second-round choice was a stow-away pick and is almost certainly headed for Europe. His name is better than his game -- he's a project forward who may be heard from in a couple years, if ever.

Biggest Strength: Frontcourt

Sure, they have Kobe Bryant, and that's enough of an advantage on many nights. But the advantage that doesn't get enough attention is the Lakers' size and quality up front. A lot of teams just can't deal with L.A. because of the size of Bynum and Gasol up front. Bynum is the big bruiser who occupies the opponent's biggest post defender, with the Lakers frequently using him to register first-quarter body blows in the post before turning things over to Bryant and Gasol.

Although Bynum's presence often forces Gasol to play away from the basket, it also allows the 7-footer to feast on size mismatches against smaller 4s. Additionally, it spares Gasol the physical pounding of being a full-time center and instead lets him indulge in the finesse game that he plays so well.

And then there's the change of pace with Odom. The few opponents who have the size to deal with Gasol and Bynum rarely have a big man who can match up against Odom farther from the hoop. His ability to take bigger players off the dribble provides an offensive staple for the second unit, and on some nights creates even more mismatches than the Gasol-Bynum starting combo.

Biggest Weakness: Point Guard

The Lakers are rock solid at four of the five positions, but point guard remains a major question mark. While Fisher righted his ship enough to hit some big shots in the conference finals and NBA Finals, he was brutal for the first half of the playoffs and wouldn't start for most of the league's teams. L.A. was fortunate to avoid quick point guards in the final two rounds last season, but playing in a conference with the likes of Chris Paul and Tony Parker means they may not be spared such a fate in this go-round.

Brown was the best of the Lakers' three point guards in the postseason, but he's also the least accomplished, careerwise, and is more of a 2 than a 1. He's a nice stopgap to have off the bench, but he's nobody's idea of a long-term starter at the spot.

That leaves Farmar, who's undeniably the most talented of the three despite a horrid campaign last season. He's the one Laker with the quickness to defend the speedy guards that give L.A. problems, but he'll have to improve his focus and technique and, above all, he has to make more shots.

Outlook

Despite the fact that Orlando and Cleveland spent the summer arming up while L.A. largely stood pat, the Lakers have an excellent chance to repeat as champions. They won 65 games and a title a year ago despite Bynum's and Farmar's struggles; if those two recover and the others hold steady, the Lakers could be phenomenal. Bynum, in particular, presents the prospect of a big performance jump if he can just stay on the court for the whole season.

Of course, while other teams would kill to have the Lakers' problems, it's worth noting that they do have some warts. For instance, Bryant is 31 and his free-throw rate dropped precipitously last season, Fisher is 35 and his two backups don't inspire waves of confidence, Bynum has missed nearly as many games as he's played the past two campaigns and Artest is on another planet.

That said, the Lakers are an overwhelming favorite to win the West, especially since the other perennial contenders have fallen off the past two years. I'm projecting them to prevail by a whopping 10 games, so even if some players fall well short of my estimates, they should still finish as the conference's top playoff seed.

For a second year in a row, the Lakers also may benefit from their Finals opponent. Last season they got a break with a Jameer Nelson being hampered for Orlando, after he was one of many quick point guards who riddled the Lakers' defense in the regular season. This time around they may benefit again -- Nelson is back, but I'm projecting Cleveland to meet L.A. in the Finals. With Artest in tow, the Lakers couldn't possibly match up better against the Cavs, which means Phil Jackson may be able to break out his "XI" hat next June.



Prediction: 65-17, first in Pacific Division, first in Western Conference

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