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I mean seriously can we talk sensible cricket around here? Or are we just going to keep going on meaninglessly dissing players with comments like that?
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-08/summer-of-cricket:-australian-test-player-ratings/8167832

Matthew Wade: 2 [out of 10] (50 runs in 4 matches)
Wade was brought in to the team under the assumption he would bat better than Peter Nevill. He didn't. It was also presumed he would keep at least as well as Peter Nevill. He didn't.

Had it been Wade who started the summer in the team, he likely would have made way when the great reshuffle came after Hobart. As it stands, he looks a near-permanent fixture in the team off the back of ... not much.
 
http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...g/news-story/f4150ab1186cd0492f260ef1f15b7420


MATT WADE — 4 [out of 10]

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Put the team first and tried to up the tempo in the first innings, going on to notch his best score of the summer. Unfortunately that says plenty about his form with the bat this summer. A costly drop of Younis in the first innings didn’t look good. But deserves praise for soldiering on despite battling a stomach bug.
 
I mean, if the ABC don't even rate the fella, what's a meaningless park cricket plod like me who can't handle a bat or bowls pies (though I can catch) know?

I'll leave it for now, but I'll come back to Wade after the 4 tests in India.

Let's see how he does there.

And I thought this forum was open and free to discuss. Wade is a hot topic of discussion everywhere at the moment. The missed stumping on Thursday night - well if looks (of disdain) [from Head and Smith] could kill...

Other than that, I think they've really got the ODI Aussie team balance spot on.
 
Never said he was great or that he was the best keeper in Australia, that title belongs to Nevill. But Wade is what we've got and there is no use saying dumb things about him and his skill level. Again, I don't rate Wade as highly as I rate Nevill, but do you see me (or anyone else for that matter) talking stupid crap about him?
 
Keatoboy said:
Never said he was great or that he was the best keeper in Australia, that title belongs to Nevill. But Wade is what we've got and there is no use saying dumb things about him and his skill level. Again, I don't rate Wade as highly as I rate Nevill, but do you see me (or anyone else for that matter) talking stupid crap about him?
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Excuse me? Dumb?

Ol' Scissorhands deserves the pilloring he is receiving. Had a sook during the Hobart test and got Warney backing his return when Nevil really had done nothing wrong. It also suggests to me that there is some sort of agenda because Ch 9 look the other way, and Healy never really gets stuck in to him, whilst often berating the Pakistani keeper.

After the test series, a number of media outlets with very seasoned campaigners as journalists scored Wade very poorly.

At cricket matches I've attended and during weekend matches, Wade always seems to come up. He comes up on here and and on other forums I'm on.

I like to deride him, yes. And I'm sorry if that's not yours or others cups of tea. But then again, I did say Warner was 'hit and myth' back in 2012. I also made comments to the effect that Johnson's career was over at the end of 2011 when he busted his toe/foot in South Africa. I spent much of the mid/late 90's noting Hayden was a soft as an opener when it counted against Akram/Younis and Walsh/Ambrose and Donald/Devilliers at their peak. But he came good too. I also said T20 would never catch on. So often, I've been wrong. Very wrong. Might happen again with Wade. But I'm not counting on it.

I shall keep my comments to myself from now on.
 
The Mad Hatter said:
Excuse me? Dumb?

Ol' Scissorhands deserves the pilloring he is receiving. Had a sook during the Hobart test and got Warney backing his return when Nevil really had done nothing wrong. It also suggests to me that there is some sort of agenda because Ch 9 look the other way, and Healy never really gets stuck in to him, whilst often berating the Pakistani keeper.

After the test series, a number of media outlets with very seasoned campaigners as journalists scored Wade very poorly.

At cricket matches I've attended and during weekend matches, Wade always seems to come up. He comes up on here and and on other forums I'm on.

I like to deride him, yes. And I'm sorry if that's not yours or others cups of tea. But then again, I did say Warner was 'hit and myth' back in 2012. I also made comments to the effect that Johnson's career was over at the end of 2011 when he busted his toe/foot in South Africa. I spent much of the mid/late 90's noting Hayden was a soft as an opener when it counted against Akram/Younis and Walsh/Ambrose and Donald/Devilliers at their peak. But he came good too. I also said T20 would never catch on. So often, I've been wrong. Very wrong. Might happen again with Wade. But I'm not counting on it.

I shall keep my comments to myself from now on.
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Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one.

Nothing wrong with voicing your opinion as it is yours.

I think the same, he's a very second rate glove man that has been poor since he took over with dropped chances, missed stumpings.
 
Please don't Chris. Opinions are what make this forum great, sure you might not agree with another's opinion but having difference of opinions are healthy. I feel that the discussions are generally quite positive on this forum. It all comes down to perspective.
 
Parrapaul said:
I wasn't a fan of Watson either so its not a vendetta against MM, just the policy of hoping with selecting guys like MM, Shane Watson, Hilton Cartwright that we will find a allrounder like Ben Stokes, Jacques Kallis or Andrew Flintoff.

They don't come up too often players like them
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Interesting choice of players to compare him to, as an all rounder Kallis is in a league of his own, I would go as far as saying if I were asked to pick an all time 11 Kallis would be the first name on paper with Bradman number 2.

I was never a fan of Watsons until late in his carer when I started looking at his figures and comparing them to some of the players people talk about as great all rounders.
Heres some stats for you
Batting averages
Test Watson 35, Stokes 33, Flintoff 31
ODI Watson 40, Flintoff 32, Stokes 29
T20 Watson 29, Stokes 13, Flintoff 12

No contest as to who was the best batsman

Bowling averages
Test Flintoff 32, Watson 33, Stokes 34
ODI Flintiff 24, Watson 31, Stokes 38
T20 Watson 24, Flintoff 32, Stokes 49

Flintoff might have a slight edge as a bowler, my criteria for an all rounder is pretty simple, average more with the bat than ball regardless of if you are a batting or bowling all rounder. Watson is the only one to do it in all three formats and the difference between his batting and bowling average is better in every format than Flintoff.

With Kallis out of the equation Watson is one of the best all rounders of the last 40-50 years, compare his figures against the likes of Botham, Haddle, Kahn etc and he is right there with them.
I would still pick Watson at his current age ahead of MM.
 
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Good to see them get there on the back of Mozzies performance seeing his fumble cost them the last final they were in.
I hope Saturday we get a game as entertaining last night.
 
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