Reading this WILL piss you off

Having refereed at a high level for many years, I can say he's put a twist on things that a taught down to the lowest levels simply to cause a PR problem for the league. Attention seeking is all this book is.
 
The other thing I'm noticing is that there is never any fact in what he's saying it's always "we were left to decipher" or "they told us we were missing certain calls". His spin makes it sound like it was cheating, without seeing relevant game footage who is to say that a certain area was not being called very well or with a consistent interpretation. I just think there's a lot of grey area in what he's saying.
 
i am yet to read the book front to back waiting to get it in post but have been reading a lot about it. 1 thing i can say
is professional refs have contributed to outcomes of games weather in favor or against certain teams/players.
I believe officials should not have soooo much power, no player should ever enter a game worrying about being mistreated or threatened by a ref.
I believe i started loosing my hair early from anger of being picked on by refs... no professional athlete should ever have to worry about
anyone but their opponent.
 
I have played basketball at various levels and watched tonnes of nba/nbl/international/local cba and seabl etc and even reffed myself at a local level over my 41 yrs of life and yep there is indifference when it comes to refs, its called human nature, we all like/dislike certain people and while as a ref you are to remain unbiased and professional always, im sure our animal instincts shine through from time to time, superstars will get certain calls from certain refs, rookies wont..that's an obvious one, what about the golden years of mj, the rule was he was to make it to the basket unhindered!!!
at the end of the day any sport will have this conundrum, not just the nba...
 
hey Aram, i agree with ya mate but i just think at any high level sport a rookie and a veteran player should not be treated differently and as we know, the big names get away with a lot.
By the way i see your from bendigo... were the hell is the gold up there my minelab dont find shit been like 6 times lol.
 
ooneil said:
Dont forget that this guy went to jail for gambling and influencing NBA game results for the mob.
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No, he was never convicted of influencing games. He was only convicted for betting on games. The FBI were convinced that he never influenced a game to suit his bets. There is one particular game where he reffed and had placed a bet (through the mob contacts) on the Spurs. In that game, he ejected coach Pop early in the game, even though he bet on the Spurs!
 
I own a copy of this book and have read it and yes, it is a great read!

I genuinely believe most of the claims that Tim makes in the book. There is too much indicating he is right.

This guy was able to bet on NBA games at a ridiculously high winning percentage (I think 70-80%), by knowing which refs were going to be officiating certain games.
It talks about how there were numerous refs that got caught up in scams where they were given 1st class flights around the country to ref games, then they would downgrade them to economy and pocket the difference, which they all knew full well to be illegal, yet the NBA does not discipline them. Some of them get promoted to referee supervisors so they are not directly in the spotlight.

I found it hard to read that sort of thing about the game that I love, but it is a likely reality!
 
araiee said:
I have played basketball at various levels and watched tonnes of nba/nbl/international/local cba and seabl etc and even reffed myself at a local level over my 41 yrs of life and yep there is indifference when it comes to refs, its called human nature, we all like/dislike certain people and while as a ref you are to remain unbiased and professional always, im sure our animal instincts shine through from time to time, superstars will get certain calls from certain refs, rookies wont..that's an obvious one, what about the golden years of mj, the rule was he was to make it to the basket unhindered!!!
at the end of the day any sport will have this conundrum, not just the nba...
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This

Stéphane Auger was an NHL ref that had a pretty notorious axe to grind with certain players and teams. Alex Burrows from the Canucks called him out on it, after Auger called Burrows for 4 penalties in a single period. This only resulted in Burrows getting fined. Thankfully Auger's "retired" now.

Unfortunately Tim Peel is still gainfully employed.
 
drob50 said:
I own a copy of this book and have read it and yes, it is a great read!

I genuinely believe most of the claims that Tim makes in the book. There is too much indicating he is right.

This guy was able to bet on NBA games at a ridiculously high winning percentage (I think 70-80%), by knowing which refs were going to be officiating certain games.
It talks about how there were numerous refs that got caught up in scams where they were given 1st class flights around the country to ref games, then they would downgrade them to economy and pocket the difference, which they all knew full well to be illegal, yet the NBA does not discipline them. Some of them get promoted to referee supervisors so they are not directly in the spotlight.

I found it hard to read that sort of thing about the game that I love, but it is a likely reality!
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I also cant help but believe most of what tim says. The way he tells stories is too detailed and deep and the f.b.i could not find 1 time where any facts of his story changed. Thats why he pretty much got let off because of his honesty.
 
drob50 said:
No, he was never convicted of influencing games. He was only convicted for betting on games. The FBI were convinced that he never influenced a game to suit his bets. There is one particular game where he reffed and had placed a bet (through the mob contacts) on the Spurs. In that game, he ejected coach Pop early in the game, even though he bet on the Spurs!
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Just because you were not convicted does not mean it didn't happen.;) Always 2 sides to the story.

http://deadspin.com/5009563/tim-donaghy-stayed-busy

http://deadspin.com/5025811/big-money-undefeated-in-7-of-7-nba-games-reffed-by-scott-foster
 
drob50 said:
Interesting!

He did convince the FBI that he wasn't fixing though, at least he tells it that way.

Doesn't change the other points about the commish knowing full well that it is happening
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thats how i see it.... its a lot deeper than his refereeing or his bets
 
snooper1304 said:
hey Aram, i agree with ya mate but i just think at any high level sport a rookie and a veteran player should not be treated differently and as we know, the big names get away with a lot.
By the way i see your from bendigo... were the hell is the gold up there my minelab dont find s*** been like 6 times lol.
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there is gold around here you just need to find the better spots that haven't been done over!!! do you have a 5000????
 
araiee said:
there is gold around here you just need to find the better spots that haven't been done over!!! do you have a 5000????
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i was going to buy a gpx or at least a sd2000 but got offered a eureka gold at a good price and thought (hopefully) id find some
yellow and let the 'hobby' pay for an upgrade. but ive been through whipstick, epsom, eaglehawk, castlemaine, taradale and more and not 1 nugget. I take little test chips and get a mate to bury it (i dont look where he puts it) and always find it within 10 mins so im using the machine right. i just keep getting nails and the smallest pieces of foil etc. like a foot deep. Like a month ago in bendigo my mate found 2 full gold sovereigns pre 1900s a foot deep... but he still hasnt found the alluvial either maybe the gold gods are working against us.
 
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