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NRL 2016 ESP Elite Official Thread (Checklist Up Pg 36)

Diggaz TC said:
I know of someone that has input in the design of the sets and has been involved in card collecting for 25+ years. If you think everything is being created by business men/women in suits with no knowledge of the industry then you are definitely mistaken.

Sets in this day and age have to be large. The NRL and AFL licence costs a motza and they have a minimum figure which must be met each year. You're not going to reach this figure by releasing a 200-Card set in the mold of the 90's Dynamic and Regina sets. You're not even going to hit it producing sets like Select did in the early 2000's. Select's AFL release this year is even larger than Traders. It's the way the industry has gone and it's a reflection of the growth of the game we support.
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One person who designs the sets and involved in card collecting is not a reflection of ALL the workers for ESP. Edit: or any other card company
 
Delta said:
One person who designs the sets and involved in card collecting is not a reflection of ALL the workers for ESP. Edit: or any other card company
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Every person at ESP should be a card collector? You do know that ESP is an athlete management and sports marketing company as well?

I tap out! Looking forward to some new rumors and info regarding 2016 Elite :kick:
 
Diggaz TC said:
Every person at ESP should be a card collector? You do know that ESP is an athlete management and sports marketing company as well?

I tap out! Looking forward to some new rumors and info regarding 2016 Elite :kick:
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Not all, but I was saying that one person you know who collects cards does not represent the fact that the card company takes things from a view of the card colletor. And yes i have seen the website for ESP.
 
I think ESP got powerplay 2016 close to perfect. A sig card numbered to 200 seeded in would make it almost perfect. Making a binder with 30 pages and not 32 to fit all cards is a bit of a shitter though. But Esp took feedback on pp and made a so so kids product into something cool and a bit modern and a bit retro.

I don't deal with them as a business so I'll stay out of that.
 
ESP are not the only company who do parallels. Even SELECT did numbered Parallels in 2012 Dynasty. the are call League Leaders and the Blacks are currently selling at more than $400
 
sharkiefan0102 said:
ESP are not the only company who do parallels. Even SELECT did numbered Parallels in 2012 Dynasty. the are call League Leaders and the Blacks are currently selling at more than $400
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At least they didn't do 5 sets of parallels. Besides the parallel images were different for the peel and reveal ones right? Correct me if I am wrong. Technically black signature this year is a parallel too but that's up for oponipn
 
Diggaz TC said:
Sets in this day and age have to be large. The NRL and AFL licence costs a motza and they have a minimum figure which must be met each year. You're not going to reach this figure by releasing a 200-Card set in the mold of the 90's Dynamic and Regina sets.
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100% spot on ......the minimum guarantee for the NRL is huge!
 
The Mad Hatter said:
I think ESP got powerplay 2016 close to perfect. A sig card numbered to 200 seeded in would make it almost perfect. Making a binder with 30 pages and not 32 to fit all cards is a bit of a s***ter though. But Esp took feedback on pp and made a so so kids product into something cool and a bit modern and a bit retro.

I don't deal with them as a business so I'll stay out of that.
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Itotally agree I think powerplay was a huge improvement both in design but I think also the change in the size of the cards helped
 
Delta, I know you are fairly new to this hobby and everyone loves value but most collectors are involved for the thrill of busting packets and boxes, building up their trades and ultimately shaping their PC to their liking. Everyone works off a budget and if buying cards from the secondary market and tradiis your best option that is fine
Delta said:
Is there any sleeve or page size that will fit the older powerplay cards?
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eight pocket pages but the cards have to sit side on
 
At the time of writing, I am somewhat anticipating 2016 Elite will be packed-to-the-rafters with insets, in other words a release arguable uninviting slash over-challenging for the master set collector however my defense to that, is, do Master set/Release card collector still actually exist in this decade of the 2010s?
 
nznrl said:
This is a card forum and apart from direct word of mouth, is probably the biggest platform for this hobby. It is my guess that ESP keeps tabs on it or at least is in communication with others who do. Therefore constructive feedback (positive and negative) has a direct link back to the company.

As previously mentioned ad nauseum, master set collectors are all but gone, IP collectors are hurting, and players HATE signing cards now. Card collecting has changed and we need to roll with those changes, but at the same time it is imperative that we try to protect what is really important. What will hurt YOU as a collector is losing a community to trade and buy/sell with.

Personally speaking I have collected enthusiastically for 25 years and am still here through thick or thin. I don't want to move on I want the product to suit as many of us as possible and be attractive to new and old collectors alike. Offering constructive feedback shouldn't be seen as complaining for the sake of it, but a sign that people actually care and love the hobby and are offering advice for it to improve. All good companies depend on customer feedback to survive. And asking all naysayers to 'move on'...really? Be very careful what you wish for.

Would ESP have released no. 1s without 'whingeing' - doubtful
Would ESP have numbered their hits without 'whingeing' - doubtful
Would ESP have included a case hit without 'whingeing' - who knows?
Would ESP have lowered their price this year without someone 'whingeing' - again who knows?

Whilst I appreciate your positivity (really), I believe constructive feedback is not petty and has a vital role to play in this hobby.

And for goodness sake we only know two card sets in the upcoming release; no one has actually flamed anything yet.
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I have no issue with constructive criticism and am all for it and never labelled that as petty as you have. It is the prolific bagging of ESP, the product in general and how sellers and master collectors are supposedly suffering. Boo hoo. Get a life and a real job .... really. There are bigger issues in life than this and I also think you over estimate the would ESP have and have nots in your post above if it were not for the ever hard and loyal collectors for god knows how many years providing "constructive criticism".
Those who have the passion for the hobby will always collect and what value would the product be if virtually everyone was able to collect a "master set"? Right.. nothing!
And for goodness sake I made no reference to the upcoming 2016 Elite product so what are you on?
 
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