NO MORE PANINI FOR ME!!!

[ozballer23]

Thats not what im saying Norm, the people who are "rolling" in it are not going to pay that sort of money for a card so badly auto'd when they can spend their big bucks on a pristine example.

That's wrong Nick, since I have seen the card sell for that much, with a worse auto, then obviously they are willing to pay for it. You can't make an assumption on how everyone thinks. If I had the money I certainly would be willing to pay that much for that exact card.

 

[drob50]

Thats not what im saying Norm, the people who are "rolling" in it are not going to pay that sort of money for a card so badly auto'd when they can spend their big bucks on a pristine example.

Panini only 'owed' Ang around $400 worth of current sell value! Even if he sells the Kobe at Half of the going rate because of the auto, it will be more than he would have got from the 2 dual autos! That is the point!

 

[chocsports2000]

But why did they send him a card that has the auto off the card in the first place? All they had to do was make another card and get Kobe to sign it properly next time he signs and destroy that one, instead they were lazy and thought it was fine to send out this garbage.

Odds are, once they finish printing the cards the plates are destroyed. It would cost way more than the card is worth to make one copy (I know, my father is in the printing business). As far as I know, Panini does their best to replace cards with fair market value equivalents. Ang paid $800 for the 2 Griffin/Walls and he got a card that is about twice that market value. The version /99 sells for $900-1200.

Look at that, BOTH autos fall off the sticker, the Griffin auto looks like crap
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-11-Panin...93282495?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item51a0fcf1bf

Look at that one, again BOTH autos go off sticker
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-11-Pan...08291700?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item2322d5ca74

That's 20% of the print run where the auto goes off sticker. How about this one:

Again, both Wall & Griffin's autos go off sticker
http://www.ebay.com/itm/John-Wall-B...32348249?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item589388f459

Look at this one, Wall's auto goes off sticker:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-11-Panin...30496728?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item564b4c91d8

Given all that, you've got to wonder what the odds are that one, let alone BOTH autos would be off sticker. Ang, no offense intended, but would we be having this conversation if you did receive the 2 Wall/Griffins and they looked like the ones above?

 

[chocsports2000]

Its all good to say you would "if" you had the money but i don't see anyone who has the cash putting their hand up.

How about this:

I'd offer an Exqusite Kevin Love 4-color patch RC /225, a Kobe BGS 10 Pristine UD3 Rookie and I'd go out and buy one of the Wall/Griffin duals and trade it for that card.

 

[ozballer23]

Ok I think the point has been made lol.

 

[ozballer23]

Let's not turn this into a fleet retro thread!

 

[Jaames]

If I was paying a player to be the face of my company and he sent back autos of that quality, I'd be very unhappy.

 

[Cobretti]

I know it is kobe and PANINI don't want to stir the pot, but still they really need to teach these guys to sign in the middle of the card.

Hell it is common sense so I don't think they need training. If I was as popular as him I would make sure my fans are happy.

 

[ElkyJnr]

ouch

 

[Strop]

Not the nicest inscription , but I wonder if it would have even been offered by panini if it was done properly.

Maybe why they still had it, all the good ones went out first under quality control.

 

[drob50]

Ok I think the point has been made lol.

Let's not turn this into a fleet retro thread!

The rules on posting are getting a bit stricter each time a thread is posted on here!?!? It is all still relevant to the topic and it seems Ang has taken the input and run with it, so I don't know why this thread is 'heading bad'???

If I was paying a player to be the face of my company and he sent back autos of that quality, I'd be very unhappy.

I know it is kobe and PANINI don't want to stir the pot, but still they really need to teach these guys to sign in the middle of the card.

Hell it is common sense so I don't think they need training. If I was as popular as him I would make sure my fans are happy.

The biggest problem I have is that people refer to this as a Panini problem! It is not! UD had the same issues!

I can't understand why it is a big deal because it is an on card auto, but it is almost certain that if he got the actual card he redeemed, they would have been sticker autos which are rarely all on the sticker!

 

[Cobretti]

The biggest problem I have is that people refer to this as a Panini problem! It is not! UD had the same issues!

I can't understand why it is a big deal because it is an on card auto, but it is almost certain that if he got the actual card he redeemed, they would have been sticker autos which are rarely all on the sticker!

Totally agree, however this thread was targeted at PANINI so my response was to that directly.

A lot of the MJ exquisite auto patches suffer a similar fate. I guess my comment was more a general to tell players to show some pride and respect to their collectors. Without collectors and the fans basketball would be a backyard sport.

 

[angpin]

Thats not what im saying Norm, the people who are "rolling" in it are not going to pay that sort of money for a card so badly auto'd when they can spend their big bucks on a pristine example.

Exactly my point Nick. Any card I buy needs to be Pristine (or close enough). But more importantly of a player I collect and enjoy. Can anyone show me an Example of the Griffin/Wall Black Box autos #/10? No because even though I waited 12 months they haven't even been produced! I think it's unfair some of you are showing me pics of bad autos on other cards, show me one of the Black Box #/10 then I'll be convinced.
Also I collect Griffin and Wall and I don't have a Black Box version of either, and I collect cards for the players more than the value of the card.

 

[angpin]

Odds are, once they finish printing the cards the plates are destroyed. It would cost way more than the card is worth to make one copy (I know, my father is in the printing business). As far as I know, Panini does their best to replace cards with fair market value equivalents. Ang paid $800 for the 2 Griffin/Walls and he got a card that is about twice that market value. The version /99 sells for $900-1200.

Look at that, BOTH autos fall off the sticker, the Griffin auto looks like crap
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-11-Panin...93282495?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item51a0fcf1bf

Look at that one, again BOTH autos go off sticker
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-11-Pan...08291700?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item2322d5ca74

That's 20% of the print run where the auto goes off sticker. How about this one:

Again, both Wall & Griffin's autos go off sticker
http://www.ebay.com/itm/John-Wall-B...32348249?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item589388f459

Look at this one, Wall's auto goes off sticker:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-11-Panin...30496728?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item564b4c91d8

Given all that, you've got to wonder what the odds are that one, let alone BOTH autos would be off sticker. Ang, no offense intended, but would we be having this conversation if you did receive the 2 Wall/Griffins and they looked like the ones above?

Hi Mark,
Point taken but for every bad auto I can show you at least 20 good ones. Do you have a pic of the Black Box dual autos to show me? Point is this was directly handled by Panini's new Customer Service Manager so he actually chose the card to meet my customer service expectations. Good example of Panini's new customer service?? You be the judges.
Kind regards Ang

 

[drob50]

Hi Mark,
Point taken but for every bad auto I can show you at least 20 good ones. Do you have a pic of the Black Box dual autos to show me? Point is this was directly handled by Panini's new Customer Service Manager so he actually chose the card to meet my customer service expectations. Good example of Panini's new customer service?? You be the judges.
Kind regards Ang

Here are some examples Ang!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-11-Eli...53420597?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item564caa5c35

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-11-Eli...53420614?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item564caa5c46

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-12-Pan...89941562?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item2575c9ae3a

I reckon you should just sell the Kobe off and buy yourself a STUPIDLY NASTY John Wall RAP or something! Then you will feel better imo! haha

 

[ozballer23]

Hi Mark,
Point taken but for every bad auto I can show you at least 20 good ones. Do you have a pic of the Black Box dual autos to show me? Point is this was directly handled by Panini's new Customer Service Manager so he actually chose the card to meet my customer service expectations. Good example of Panini's new customer service?? You be the judges.
Kind regards Ang

I see your point and can agree with that comment. Maybe the customer service person isn't as picky with autos and thought that because it is worth more you would be happy?!

 

[FabFiveFan]

Just be happy that you are not a Darren Collison collector like me. You would be a tornado of anger if you saw his National Treasures Rookie Patch Auto cards (sorry dont have example ready to go). At least Kobe got his auto somewhere in the viscinity of where it is meant to go.

 

[ozballer23]

Just be happy that you are not a Darren Collison collector like me. You would be a tornado of anger if you saw his National Treasures Rookie Patch Auto cards (sorry dont have example ready to go). At least Kobe got his auto somewhere in the viscinity of where it is meant to go.

Lol on patch instead of on card haha

 

[FabFiveFan]

Lol on patch instead of on card haha

Now that guy really really needs some auto training. "Now sign here Mr Collison, in this blank area that says signature"

 

[chocsports2000]

Hi Mark,
Point taken but for every bad auto I can show you at least 20 good ones. Do you have a pic of the Black Box dual autos to show me? Point is this was directly handled by Panini's new Customer Service Manager so he actually chose the card to meet my customer service expectations. Good example of Panini's new customer service?? You be the judges.
Kind regards Ang

Don't get me wrong, I totally understand and respect the dual disappointment of not only not getting the card you want, paid good, hard earned money for, waited a year-plus for and then getting a less than perfect replacement. My point resides in the fact that the odds are that at least 1 of the 4 autos would have been cut off, especially looking at the other examples of the black box Griffin autos. The window that Panini creates for the recessed auto just isn't big enough. It's a problem that seems to be endemic throughout all of their recessed autograph cards. I also still believe that you could sell that Kobe off and pick up exactly what you want for your collection. I'd bet there's someone out there that would be willing to swap a Wall NT /99 for that Kobe.

Here's the only dual Black Box with Griffin, which has a fantastic auto, but the Bledsoe looks to be cut off on top and bottom
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-12-Pan...89941562?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item2575c9ae3a

At least none of the Griffin/Walls are live. That would be the ultimate kick in the pants.