NO MORE PANINI FOR ME!!!

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Hey Guys,
It's very rare that I vent but this time I've been pushed too far. Those of you that know me, know that I did enjoy my card collecting and have done for 30 or so years. If I like a card I don't mind spending the money and buying it. If I can help out a fellow collector, it gives me great pleasure. I'll ocassionally surprise someone and send them a card that I believe they'll enjoy. I'm passionate and involved with Cherry breaks every Monday night. But my collecting days may be over soured by the good people at Panini!
12 months ago I purchased 2 redemptions, both Black Box Griffin/Wall dual autos #/10 for a substantial amount. I waited patiently for my Redemptions to arrive, but back in early July I'd waited long enough and decided to ask for replacements. The new Customer service manager was in contact with me and assured me that he was all over it, and that with him at the helm it would be a new "regime", customer service levels would improve dramatically, no more waiting an eternity for the cards to be redeemed, and that past mistakes and short comings of the past would never rear their ugly head again. Great!!!
After 3 months of emails back and forth to the new and improved customer service manager we finally agreed on a card that I'd be happy with. No pics but descibed as a beautiful card of Kobe.
Yesterday I receive this "thing" in the mail from Panini:
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You guys are all very knowledgable when it comes to cards and in particular autos.....and I ask you if you are wanting to look after a customer would you send them a card with part of the auto missing??? Of course the new customer service manager will not reply to my dissapointment at receiving what I would describe as a "worthless piece of crap".
Am I being too harsh or should I be happy that I paid $800 for the 2 redemptions and in it's place received this?
Kind regards Angelo
 
Hey Guys,
It's very rare that I vent but this time I've been pushed too far. Those of you that know me, know that I did enjoy my card collecting and have done for 30 or so years. If I like a card I don't mind spending the money and buying it. If I can help out a fellow collector, it gives me great pleasure. I'll ocassionally surprise someone and send them a card that I believe they'll enjoy. I'm passionate and involved with Cherry breaks every Monday night. But my collecting days may be over soured by the good people at Panini!
12 months ago I purchased 2 redemptions, both Black Box Griffin/Wall dual autos #/10 for a substantial amount. I waited patiently for my Redemptions to arrive, but back in early July I'd waited long enough and decided to ask for replacements. The new Customer service manager was in contact with me and assured me that he was all over it, and that with him at the helm it would be a new "regime", customer service levels would improve dramatically, no more waiting an eternity for the cards to be redeemed, and that past mistakes and short comings of the past would never rear their ugly head again. Great!!!
After 3 months of emails back and forth to the new and improved customer service manager we finally agreed on a card that I'd be happy with. No pics but descibed as a beautiful card of Kobe.
Yesterday I receive this "thing" in the mail from Panini:
DSCF0146.jpg


You guys are all very knowledgable when it comes to cards and in particular autos.....and I ask you if you are wanting to look after a customer would you send them a card with part of the auto missing??? Of course the new customer service manager will not reply to my dissapointment at receiving what I would describe as a "worthless piece of crap".
Am I being too harsh or should I be happy that I paid $800 for the 2 redemptions and in it's place received this?
Kind regards Angelo

Yes, I think you are being incredibly harsh! It is not Panini's fault Kobe signed off the edge, but regardless of that, they dod just give you a card that is probably $1500 worth IMO!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-10-Kob...=&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

This one went for $2250 (I know it is graded) and the 'MVP' is barely legible. But even taking away the 9.5 grade, $1500 is probably reasonable!

You would have received 2 x Griffin/Wall dual autos which would have been sticker autos (I think) and they no doubt would have had the auto run off the sticker like when MOST players sign them.

And..... the Griffin/Walls would have been worth $200-$250 MAX now in my opinion!

You did well! Shame you don't see it!
 
I honestly think you are going a bit over the top on this one. You got a card that exceeded what you had and sure the auto isn't the greatest but what about all of those other autos that are out there that have a skip in them or are signed off the card?

I think you got a very good replacement, if you hate it so much, sell it off and buy something you want.

I think in this instance, you have been looked after very well!
 
Yes, I think you are being incredibly harsh! It is not Panini's fault Kobe signed off the edge, but regardless of that, they dod just give you a card that is probably $1500 worth IMO!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-10-Kobe-Bryant-BGS-9-5-National-Treasures-Notable-Nicknames-MVP-Auto-35-/190712153845?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item2c675486f5&nma=true&si=kRSbl07o7gjmGxYRtPHd7xZwb7E=&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

This one went for $2250 (I know it is graded) and the 'MVP' is barely legible. But even taking away the 9.5 grade, $1500 is probably reasonable!

You would have received 2 x Griffin/Wall dual autos which would have been sticker autos (I think) and they no doubt would have had the auto run off the sticker like when MOST players sign them.

And..... the Griffin/Walls would have been worth $200-$250 MAX now in my opinion!

You did well! Shame you don't see it!
Adam, I hear what your saying but I wouldn't have sent out a card like this to satisfy a customer who had waited over a year for His/Her redemptions to arrive. I would've made sure that it at least had the full auto on the card, and not go through the discard pile and pick a card and send it. I'm assuming they have some level of quality control???
And if you think it's worth so much please feel free to PM me if you're interested. (or anyone else for that matter, maybe I'm wrong and I struck Gold?)
Kind regards Ang
 
I honestly think you are going a bit over the top on this one. You got a card that exceeded what you had and sure the auto isn't the greatest but what about all of those other autos that are out there that have a skip in them or are signed off the card?

I think you got a very good replacement, if you hate it so much, sell it off and buy something you want.

I think in this instance, you have been looked after very well!

Maybe I've got it all wrong, but it's definately a card I won't be keeping where as I do collect both Griffin and Wall. Sometimes it's not the value that makes a card special to the individual, my opinion.
 
Yeah, to echo what everyone has said thus far, you made out WELL.

You'd rather have 2 of these than that?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-11-Panin...93282495?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item51a0fcf1bf

If that's the case, I will go ahead and buy the 2 on eBay right now and send them to you for the Kobe. I doubt there's anyone here that wouldn't do that deal in a blink.

Or, to put it another way, you could sell off that Kobe and buy up half of the print run of the Griffin/Wall dual auto and still have money left over for a lower end MJ auto. I can understand your frustration with the sig falling off the card, but can you really imagine the Panini rep telling Kobe, "yeah, you screwed up on that one, keep it on the card there Mamba" with a stack of hundreds of cards in front of him???
 
Sorry guys but i'd be blowing up deluxe and totally understand why Ang is pi$$ed.

Why don't one of you guys saying its not an issue buy it off Ang for the "market" value if it isn't that bad?
 
Sorry guys but i'd be blowing up deluxe and totally understand why Ang is pi$$ed.

Why don't one of you guys saying its not an issue buy it off Ang for the "market" value if it isn't that bad?

If I had the extra $1500 laying around I sure would take it off his hands, no doubt about it.
 
I can understand your frustration with the sig falling off the card, but can you really imagine the Panini rep telling Kobe, "yeah, you screwed up on that one, keep it on the card there Mamba" with a stack of hundreds of cards in front of him???

But why did they send him a card that has the auto off the card in the first place? All they had to do was make another card and get Kobe to sign it properly next time he signs and destroy that one, instead they were lazy and thought it was fine to send out this garbage.
 
Sorry guys but i'd be blowing up deluxe and totally understand why Ang is pi$$ed.

Why don't one of you guys saying its not an issue buy it off Ang for the "market" value if it isn't that bad?

Just because we dont think it's that bad, doesn't mean we're rolling in it!
 
Sorry guys but i'd be blowing up deluxe and totally understand why Ang is pi$$ed.

Why don't one of you guys saying its not an issue buy it off Ang for the "market" value if it isn't that bad?

I would have no problem buying it for the current value of the 2 Griffin/Wall dual autos! What is that? About $400??? Sign me up!!!
 
Just because we dont think it's that bad, doesn't mean we're rolling in it!
Thats not what im saying Norm, the people who are "rolling" in it are not going to pay that sort of money for a card so badly auto'd when they can spend their big bucks on a pristine example.
 
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