How can we stop this seller with their fake Jordan patches?

Mico · Sep 21, 2012

This is getting beyond a joke now. What gets me the most is he only has 1 neg.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/99-00-MJ-Ma...88507626?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item1c2b7a1dea

drob50 · Sep 21, 2012

Create another account and 'win' it!

Beemz-Trading-Cards · Sep 22, 2012

Yeah can't believe he listed it as a 1/1 when the print run was 200.

Bid, Win, Complain and get money back.

Beemz-Trading-Cards · Sep 22, 2012

Beckett book value $300

Beemz-Trading-Cards · Sep 22, 2012

I messaged him and told him that the print run was 200.

My Message
Hi

Have noticed that you have listed this as a 1/1.
Infact this card had a print run of 200.
So I would suggest you change the Description of you item.

This was his response.

Dear beemztradingcards,

the print does run to 200 but past 12 years only 1 logoman ever seen so i suggest u mind ur own business. my comments say SEEMS to be a 1/1

- rare_mj_cards

We seriously need to shut him down...

ozballer23 · Sep 22, 2012

Complete joke. Only thing we can do is warn others.

Basketball · Sep 22, 2012

Here's another one...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/99-00-MJ-Ma...88509732?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item1c2b7a2624

Beemz-Trading-Cards · Sep 22, 2012

Same Seller......

Jaames · Sep 22, 2012

Damn my $500.000 bid will not work

chocsports2000 · Sep 23, 2012

I remember hearing about this guy, this was his most infamous fake:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHAEL-JOR...=&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

ooneil · Sep 23, 2012

Basketball said:
Here's another one...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/99-00-MJ-Ma...88509732?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item1c2b7a2624

How does that get graded if it's fake. WTF is PSA doing. Am I missing something.

Basketball · Sep 23, 2012

ooneil said:
How does that get graded if it's fake. WTF is PSA doing. Am I missing something.

PSA, BGS, and any grading company for that matter, have no clue what they're doing when it comes to the memorabilia pieces in the card, they're just grading the condition of the card and/or authenticating a card. This should definitely change.... but then again, how can they really stay on top of this? It's up to the card companies to come up with some kinf of picture database of every memorabilia card, except of course plain jersey cards. But for a short print, for example, a card numbered to 25 or so, they should picture them all in their website, even if it's just a plain jersey.

At the end of the day, it's very hard to do, as these guys will find a way.... we all have them to thank for ruining it for all of us true collectors.

ooneil · Sep 23, 2012

If they are going to authentic something then isnt their job to ensure its authentic?? Otherwise whats the point?

These guys are not much better than the thieves that make these fakes.

hairyangryfella · Sep 23, 2012

Mico said:
This is getting beyond a joke now. What gets me the most is he only has 1 neg.

He had one more from me... but got it removed. Basically the final straw with ebay for me.

Guy is scum. His faking has been reported to ebay and UD, both do nothing.

Basketball · Sep 23, 2012

ooneil said:
If they are going to authentic something then isnt their job to ensure its authentic?? Otherwise whats the point?

These guys are not much better than the thieves that make these fakes.

I must have forgot to mention.... they authenticate the card itself, not the memoralia, nor the autograph. They have a service where they authentic the auto, it's called JSA - James Spence Authentication, and they slab it in a BGS holder. But no such service for memorabilia cards.

For autographed cards, they make sure it's a pack sertified autograph, and then they just grade it and pass it as authentic. Sometimes you can get people who get blank extra cards from the companies and get them graded in person by the player, and those still pass the grading and they slab it with a grade, so they take it as being an authentic card.

For the memorabilia cards we have no luck.... anybody can put whatever patch and they'll most likely grade/slab it. Unless of course you put a cookie monster patch piece which it totally obvious and they might send it back ungraded LOL, but I doubt even that! So yes, I agree with you, they're just has much to blame as the scum of our hobby.

I know stay away from grading all together due to many reasons..... magnetic and team bag for me to keep the dust away and scratches on the holder.

AutographedMemorabilia · Sep 23, 2012

As someone who does not do basketball but has a lot to do with ebay and theses sort of things i have to put up with but in his add this is where ebay will say he has not lied and i have been throught it many of times his wording in the adds is.
The forth worn in is how he gets away with it this may sound silly but because he has not told you its 1/1 that how.
Just for the record before anyone has a go at me i dont deal with this guy i dont know the guy but this is why he gets away with it.
NEVER SEEN ANYWHERE. SEEMS TO BE A 1/1

ooneil · Sep 23, 2012

He is a dirtbag using sneaky wording to pray on those that have no idea. There's no defending it in my book.

AutographedMemorabilia · Sep 23, 2012

ooneil said:
He is a dirtbag using sneaky wording to pray on those that have no idea. There's no defending it in my book.

I am not defending it i have to put up with crap like that all the time with signed item people not tell someone who uys something that its a preprint.
This is a play on words thats what it is and if he is not outright lying then ebay will not do anything about it and thats what it is,it takes 8 different reports to ebay from different buyers and sellers for them to look into anything.

Beemz-Trading-Cards · Sep 23, 2012

AutographedMemorabilia said:
As someone who does not do basketball but has a lot to do with ebay and theses sort of things i have to put up with but in his add this is where ebay will say he has not lied and i have been throught it many of times his wording in the adds is.
The forth worn in is how he gets away with it this may sound silly but because he has not told you its 1/1 that how.
Just for the record before anyone has a go at me i dont deal with this guy i dont know the guy but this is why he gets away with it.
NEVER SEEN ANYWHERE. SEEMS TO BE A 1/1

I know you are not defending him, the fact of the matter is he knows that the print run is 200 and therefor this could not possibly be a 1/1.
So the word seems is made redundant if he knows.

Mico · Sep 24, 2012

You guys are missing the point. The patch is fake, we are all used to "ebay" 1/1's, thats nothing new.

How can we stop this seller with their fake Jordan patches?

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