Expansion

I feel sorry for the Sharks but sadly, its their number which would most likely be up in this current climate. Ironically, they are the only club in the comp who OWN their own ground.

There is also the odd nod to Manly, relocating to Sunshine Coast in Qld.

There was also some softly-softly about the Bulldogs playing half-half Sydney and Brisbane. Doubt it will now though. But it was keenly discussed a couple of years ago.

When you consider the Bears have 5000+ members, which is more than some current NRL clubs...well...it don't take a genius, especially when money is involved.

---------- Post added 16-03-2011 at 03:17 PM ----------

Make that 6000+ Bears members.
 
western reds has been done before and it didnt work so i dont see whats changed.

my picks would be the bears and a PNG team.
 
PNG don't have the infastructure as yet, they would be about 10-20 years away from ben able to supply a team, best they play in one of the domestic leagues up in QLD first...
The ideal situation EVENTUALLY would be to have at least 1 team in each state / territory(WA, SA, NT, VIC, MELB, CANBERRA) and then NSW(?), QLD(4), NZ(2) & PNG to supply the rest, to get to this either a few teams will need to merge / combine...
I would like to see Perth bring in a team in the next couple of years, followed by Central Coast, a 2nd QLD team to challenge the Bronco's and a central QLD team as well and hopefully a team in SA wthin 10 years....

1. Perth Reds
2. Central Coast WAVES
3. Brisbane Pride
4. Central QLD Whips
5. Wellington Tribe
6. Adelaide JAWS
7. Darwin Rocks
8. Tasmanian Devils

---------- Post added 16-03-2011 at 05:07 PM ----------

Sharks plan anger - Local News - News - Health - St George & Sutherland Shire Leader

Sharks’ proposed $300 million development.
Sutherland councillor George Capsis is also calling for more scrutiny of what he has described as a ‘‘14-storey monster’’.

Cr Capsis said that he would be proposing a motion that the council write to the incoming state government seeking an immediate freeze on any more Part 3A approvals, and

also a review of all existing Part 3A approvals.

Under the plan, the 10-hectare site, which includes playing fields adjoining the stadium, would be transformed into a multi-level shopping centre and residential complex.

The state government has accepted the project as a Part 3A application under existing planning laws.

This prevents Sutherland Shire Council deciding its fate.

A meeting of the North Cronulla Precinct Committee last week passed a resolution expressing concern about the impact of the development on the surrounding area.

It called on the council and the developers to provide more detail about the effects on traffic and parking, sports fields and the

wetlands environment.

The motion stated residents were concerned their streets would be turned into parking areas for the development.

‘‘Surrounding areas are already congested with traffic, and the addition of a large-scale shopping centre and 700 units will be likely to have a severe impact on current road infrastructure,’’ it said.

Committee chairman Ian Sinclair said there was an incorrect perception the project had already been approved.

Residents said a belief that sports clubs using the grounds adjoining the stadium would be relocated to the new Breen-Australian fields was wrong, as these had already been allocated.

They said land for the playing fields had not yet been rezoned and there were significant environmental constraints, including international treaties on protection of the wetlands.

Other points raised against the development included that it was in conflict with the state’s ecologically sustainable development goals, was at risk from sea level rises and, being a former rubbish dump, was deeply polluted, with a high risk of the acid sulphate stratum being released into Botany Bay.

It was claimed that when a previous development proposal for the site was considered, it was opposed by the National Parks and Wildlife Service, Catchment Management Authority, the council’s environmental scientist and the Planning Department.

Cr Capsis said, although he was a long-term supporter of the club, he was alarmed at the plan, and local residents were starting to realise

the implications.

‘‘I don’t think the community would want more development encroaching on what is left of the open space along the mangroves,’’ he said.


ASSURANCES


The Sharks have stated:

Public transport to the site would be improved as a result of the development.

A traffic study would be done, with recommended requirements to be part of the approval requirements.

Cronulla-Caringbah junior league club, which uses the fields, would not be disadvantaged.

On game days, there would be twice as much parking as exists on the site at present, and the consortium would work with the council, schools and clubs to provide parking alternatives.

Protective zones would be implemented around the mangroves.

The site’s former use as a rubbish tip would pose no impediment

to structures.



Interested to know how Cronulla will survive at Shark Park if the development of the surrounding area falls through.
 
meh...

but speaking of st george

"Already St George Leagues Club has said it will be withdrawing its $3 million annual support of the Dragons when mandatory pre-commitment technology starts. That means the current NRL premiers will either fold or be sold into private ownership." - Executive Director of ClubsAustralia Anthony Ball
 
Roy Masters, who I believe is quite often right when it comes to these matters, when asked at the NRL Fan Forum at Casula about the possibility of the Central Coast Bears coming in as an expansion team said 'no'.

He went on to argue that the NRL was monitoring the Sharks very carefully and that if you are a Sharks supporter, there was a lot to be afraid of.

He also went on to say that he believed that they would make way for a revived Bears team on the CC, leaving the NRL to expand to 18 teams.

Geoff Prenter and Ray Warren were in attendance and tended to agree. Ray even suggested it was somewhat inevitable, sadly.

It was also suggested by Roy Masters, that the money the Sharks were getting out of this development was a pittance, considering the size of the development. And once it was sold, and Cronulla had received their short term cash injection, where to next.

I am not having a go at Cronulla and I really hope they can recover. BUT, when you look at the current climate, 9 teams in Sydney is 2 too many. Clubs are scrambling for members, sponsors and players. Cronulla just happen to be the easy target, and unless the faithful back them heartily and make it impossible for them to be lost to the NRL, it would appear they are the top of the list.

The NRL doesn't have the balls to cull anyone and will wait for the Ind Commish. When that happens, who knows. So if the Sharkies can pull themselves together, great. All clubs need to hold a mirror up and see where they are failing and make themselves stronger too.
 
I think the best options would be a Central Queensland Team & a Papua New Guinea team. Even if PNG isnt up to NRL safety standards and what not, they could atleast get an Intrust Super Cup (QLD Cup) team. But, I really like the 16 team competition at the moment. So, I wouldnt expand just yet.
 
whilst i agree png is a sentimental favourite to get a team , realistically they are a fair way off as AyiosYiorgos mentioned.

Remember it is still a developing nation, there are a myriad of logistical, infrastructure, health and safety issues - not to mention potential corruption and management ineptitude - you only have to look at the PNG rugby league's infighting last year that resulted in most of the more experienced players missing the test match against the kangaroos.

I think the better immediate options are a second NZ team, another QLD team or possible perth
Im not quite sold on the central coast - after all wollongong couldnt support a standalone football team .
 
Just a few thoughts i had, maybe for 10-20 years down the track...
Another option would be to have a 24 team Comp split into 2 conferences, BUT realistically, some clubs would go broke or need to merge, and may bring it down to 20...
OR
You could have a Sydney based comp, then from those teams you could make Super Team's to play in the NRL i.e. Penrith & Parra, Dragons & Sharks, Roosters & Rabbits, Tigers & Dogs and no one really likes Manly so they would be on their own :)

1. Perth Reds
2. Central Coast WAVES
3. Brisbane Pride
4. Central QLD Whips
5. Wellington Tribe
6. Adelaide JAWS
7. Darwin Rocks
8. Tasmanian Devils

9. NTH QLD Cowboys
10.Bribane Broncos
11.Gold Coast Giants
12.Newcastle
13.Manly
14.Roosters
15.Souths
16 Canterbury
17.Wests Tigers
18 Parramatta
19. Penrith
20.Cronulla
21.St.George Illawarra
22.Canberra
23 Melbourne
24.NZ Warriors

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Just scare tactics, you should not worry about us i know your are but don't, we don't owe $12million to the banks, we will be fine...


meh...

but speaking of st george

"Already St George Leagues Club has said it will be withdrawing its $3 million annual support of the Dragons when mandatory pre-commitment technology starts. That means the current NRL premiers will either fold or be sold into private ownership." - Executive Director of ClubsAustralia Anthony Ball
 
With it tentively out there that there will be 2 expansion teams for the 2013 season i think Perth is a lock for one of the spots. They did not fail last time, they were a casualty of the end of the Super League war. The extra live timeslot helps the new tv deal as well for Saturday nights or Sunday arvos. (Free-to-air would not want anything to do with back-to-back live games on Friday night....they've got to get their commercials in somehow, that's what's paying their bills).

The 2nd team is a little harder because i like several of the options. Central Coast seems to have a huge backing with memberships, stadiums, sponsorships already in place ready to go. The negative is it's yet another NSW team just out of Sydney. Ideally a relocation would suit but the relocating team will kick up a stink, Bears supporters will kick up a stink, it will be very interesting to see how the NRL handles this situation.

New Zealand isn't ready for another team yet. What is really needed there is for the Warriors to be a rock solid team for a couple of years winning games and building the profile over there. When crowds consistently fill the place and key indicators are met to show the support for league rising year after year then it will be time to expand in NZ. It has been suggested that 2018 is the soonest that 2 more expansion teams would be looked at if 2 are introduced in 2013.

Brisbane 2 and the Sunshine Coast are logical in giving the league another Queensland team to solidify the state with the NRL.

PNG - err, would be great but can't be looked at seriously for over a decade...huge amount of work to do.

So, i think Perth is a certain and whoever has the strongest bid between Central Coast, Brisbane 2 and the Sunshine Coast i'm happy with.
 
---------- Post added 17-03-2011 at 08:40 PM ----------

[/COLOR]Just scare tactics, you should not worry about us i know your are but don't, we don't owe $12million to the banks, we will be fine...[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't worry about cronulla either mate the land around the stadium is worth a lot more than people think....
 
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