ESP Elite 2015 Official Thread (Sell Sheet Page 44)

hobo · Jul 24, 2015

Brendan_B said:
Your right $600 was ridiculous but rarely did a Select card hit that mark (aside from the early years and Immortal sigs)...........

Changing topic a bit.............I would say that the majority of Selects big hits signatures got that price and even more, there was certainly some duds along side the gems but every year had a whale of a hit IMO.

I'm bored so lets go through a few:

2000 Gasnier Legend Sig = $600+
2001 Langlands legends Sig = $600+
2002 Raper Legend Sig = $600+
2003 Lockyer Jersey Sig = $600+
2004 Capt Sigs = $600+
2005 Tradition Poore / Stewart / Tupou = $600+
2005 Power Beetson Legend Sig = $600ish
2006 Tye Williams......
2006 Invincibe Johns Record Breaker = $600ish also JT Medallist
2007 Invincible C Smith probably unders...just?
2008 Centenary Immortals x 7 = $600+
2009 Classic Lockyer Capt = $600+
2010 Dudded with no SeriesII
2011 Strike Slater / Hayne Medallists = $600ish
2012 Dynasty LLBs big $$$'s and Lockyer Signature card $600ish

Looks pretty good and I've left off stacks.

Cheers
Ross

hobo · Jul 24, 2015

I tend to think we can argue card price to death but until we know who's in it and the look / feel and quality then price could be anything.

I do think the secondary market will be inflated for a while as Sellers probably approach this release with caution due to the dramatically increased price so there wont be the same flood of cards as in releases past.

I hope the quality is there and then the market should be fair for all.

Ross

Richard · Jul 25, 2015

Which players were the rumoured jersey cards, was it posted in here

warriors_man · Jul 25, 2015

Richard said:
Which players were the rumoured jersey cards, was it posted in here

JWH and Matt Moylan

Brendan_B · Jul 25, 2015

thenamesgould said:
Why is it detrimental for the hobby? I don't they have dropped in price too much, you'd have been silly to pay much over $100 for them in the first place. But if I was thinking of getting into cards, the League Sensations are exactly the type of thing that would entice me.

There were what, 1600 league sensation cards out there last year (can't remember if they were out of 100 or 110, or what exactly), so that's why they aren't selling for the Select prices ... personally I don't see a drama with that, I would much rather they had continued with it and had another quality Knights player with a sig this year, myself.

If you can call any Knights players quality.

League Sensation have been /130 both previous Elite releases. That is 2080 in total on the market. The reason they flooded the market was because elite packets were accessible on a level that Select never was. Therefore you had non collectors, buying packets (Elite 13 had two sigs per box and Elite 14 was somewhat searchable) and dumping them on the market for a quick $30 profit.

As Leith said this is a buyers market so great in that aspect but the detriment caused is two fold. Firstly what is the point in collecting limited cards if everyone can buy one for next to nothing. I would be surprised if collectors out there aren't concerned with their collections keeping value.

Secondly this low price kills the dealers who look after us and the hobby so well. All of the dealers i know are very reasonable and bust multiple cases to provide us with the singles we need to complete sets. I would suggest that signature cards are their profit makers but if they are being flooded onto the market for low prices then there is no profit and the dealers go bust. We would all be worse for that.

Something is very wrong when a Greg Inglis Top Prospect /500 (great card that it is) fetches more than a League Sensation /130.

Brendan_B · Jul 25, 2015

hobo said:
Changing topic a bit.............I would say that the majority of Selects big hits signatures got that price and even more, there was certainly some duds along side the gems but every year had a whale of a hit IMO.

I'm bored so lets go through a few:

2000 Gasnier Legend Sig = $600+
2001 Langlands legends Sig = $600+
2002 Raper Legend Sig = $600+
2003 Lockyer Jersey Sig = $600+
2004 Capt Sigs = $600+
2005 Tradition Poore / Stewart / Tupou = $600+
2005 Power Beetson Legend Sig = $600ish
2006 Tye Williams......
2006 Invincibe Johns Record Breaker = $600ish also JT Medallist
2007 Invincible C Smith probably unders...just?
2008 Centenary Immortals x 7 = $600+
2009 Classic Lockyer Capt = $600+
2010 Dudded with no SeriesII
2011 Strike Slater / Hayne Medallists = $600ish
2012 Dynasty LLBs big $$$'s and Lockyer Signature card $600ish

Looks pretty good and I've left off stacks.

Cheers
Ross

That is a trip down memory lane, so many great cards. It is such a shame to see the value down so low at the moment.

Recently I have seen a Lewis Immortal Signature go for $500 and a Slater 05 Power League Leader for $300. I know there have been a few Slater sigs over the years but $300 is really low

P_Phillips · Jul 25, 2015

Brendan_B said:
League Sensation have been /130 both previous Elite releases. That is 2080 in total on the market. The reason they flooded the market was because elite packets were accessible on a level that Select never was. Therefore you had non collectors, buying packets (Elite 13 had two sigs per box and Elite 14 was somewhat searchable) and dumping them on the market for a quick $30 profit.

I agree but I also think an issue maybe in a change to what cards collectors are chasing.
With so many cards it seems a number of collectors are shifting to team sets only.
So if your only chasing 1 card from 2080 it will drop the price a little bit. Rather than 1 of each card available.

BLADE · Jul 25, 2015

collect94 said:
If his is what people are wiling to pay.

Haha, that's funny. Here is how I see it.... Its NOT what people are willing to pay, its what people are FORCED to pay.

WHY WOULD I PAY $9 for a pack when I can get a common set for $20 or even less

Dr Grange · Jul 25, 2015

Diggaz TC said:
True, and 12 Packs in the AFL box have just common cards with no inserts...I'm not sure how much 'value' that adds to a box.

And 12 packs of Parallels @ $9.00 per pack is real value in your eyes!!!!

Diggaz TC · Jul 25, 2015

I didn't say that.

Anytime we buy a packet of cards and end up with just commons or just a 1:1 Silver parallel, we are never getting 'value' for money.

For the record, based on the ratio, the Silver Parallels in Elite 2015 end up limited to 525 of each player...that's the same as the Pride and Passion inserts last year or the Triple Threats the year before. Worth $9 to cover your packet price? Of course not....but if you're expecting to find a release which covers your packet price with every single packet then please let me know when you find it.

These higher end releases really aren't catering towards loose pack buyers. We can buy a box on these forums for $40 less per box than what the RRP is.

League Hub · Jul 25, 2015

BLADE said:
Haha, that's funny. Here is how I see it.... Its NOT what people are willing to pay, its what people are FORCED to pay.

WHY WOULD I PAY $9 for a pack when I can get a common set for $20 or even less

No ones twisting your arm mate, the best way to vote is with your wallet.

ghosty · Jul 25, 2015

warriors_man said:
JWH and Matt Moylan

I'd be happy with either 2 of these... Who's are the rumoured duds? I think these guys are great picks...

Noark-99 · Jul 26, 2015

ghosty said:
I'd be happy with either 2 of these... Who's are the rumoured duds? I think these guys are great picks...

I think in comparison to the teams best players, they're a bit light. Everyone wants stars to help keep their cards valuable. Team collectors on the other hand are happy with the less popular players. You just have to take into consideration the difference in (for example) a thurston jersey card numbered to 50/ a lui jersey card limited to 50. Me? I'd be heaps happy with either. Others only the thurston and the potential for profit based on player.

I'm glad (if true) that they did go with "less" popular players, for the sake of team collectors. And as P_Phillips said, the shift from master sets to team collections has moved the market value heaps. Only chasing cowboys now eliminates me chasing all 16 teams like I used to.

I don't care what anyone else says, I'm on countdown until the release!

M

GiRDS- · Jul 26, 2015

ghosty said:
I'd be happy with either 2 of these... Who's are the rumoured duds? I think these guys are great picks...

behave yourself they are both shockers for a main hit. and the third one christ, he plays nsw cup for fucks sake.

Brendan_B · Jul 26, 2015

ESP should grab the a game worn Marvel jersey and make a card from those

Brendan_B · Jul 26, 2015

GiRDS- said:
behave yourself they are both shockers for a main hit. and the third one christ, he plays nsw cup for f***s sake.

The only thing Girds would like more than a Moylan jersey sig is a Coote jersey sig, shame he was injured for last years finals

bigrob2307 · Jul 26, 2015

ESP had zero control of which players Jersey they received unfortunately. Blame the clubs if you dont like the choice or more importantly thank the clubs if you do

Muzza · Jul 26, 2015

Just shows the lack of regard for the trading card industry from most of the clubs. Only four jerseys made available and not a marquee player in sight. So I suppose the four clubs should be given some accolade for their half-arsed effort whereas the others didn't want a bar of it. Seems us card collectors are way down the priority list this time as far as the NRL and the clubs are concerned.

Brendan_B · Jul 26, 2015

bigrob2307 said:
ESP had zero control of which players Jersey they received unfortunately. Blame the clubs if you dont like the choice or more importantly thank the clubs if you do

If ESP wanted a high profile players game used jersey why wouldn't they just bid on it at the auction? I would imagine they have to pay the club for the purchase of the jersey anyway.

I don't collect game used jerseys so I am completely ignorant in terms of cost but I am sure they could make their money back somewhere in the release.

I take on board everyone's opinion in terms of players selected for the game used jersey cards and as a team collector I am always happy when a 'lesser' player gets a decent insert. I just think that when you are talking about a card falling one in 3 cases and limited to 50 (200 total production) then it should be a front line player.

The Mad Hatter · Jul 26, 2015

Muzza said:
Just shows the lack of regard for the trading card industry from most of the clubs. Only four jerseys made available and not a marquee player in sight. So I suppose the four clubs should be given some accolade for their half-arsed effort whereas the others didn't want a bar of it. Seems us card collectors are way down the priority list this time as far as the NRL and the clubs are concerned.

I think you'll find most clubs can't afford to be just giving away jerseys. And I'm being serious.

The other thing is, the clubs must be loving game-day/match-worn jersey auctions. If they can get $500-$1000 a jersey they'd be rubbing their hands together.

As for footy cards, I reckon most of them wouldn't give a **** about the hobby or the industry. Which is ironic, since the NRL clubs are all about 'money' then you'd think the more they made the cards attractive, the more they sold, the more a manufacturer would sell and then probably the more licensing money going back in to NRL coffers to be split up to clubs and/or players. More kids with cards are likely to want to go to games...etc etc.

But like everything, the NRL want $$$ and big ones at that and they don't see the big picture, long term.

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