It would be a logistical nightmare to do that - impossible in fact. Could you imagine going back over those games and trying to remember who was fourth, fifth or even sixth best on ground (eg if the original votes for a game were Watson 3, Heppell 2, Hurley 1) and try to re-allocate the votes? Yikes!! I agree with you completely that it would be the right thing to do from a "systems" point of view but asking people to recall individual games from five seasons ago would open a pandora's box mate.
2016 AFL Season Discussion
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Quiksilver
OzCardTrader
They could just sit down in front of the t.v., watch the game knowing that they can only cast votes for the opposition ? I know it would be a logistical nightmare but the are 4 players within 3 votes of Trent Cotchin & Sam Mitchell. They are
Scott Thompson (25)
Dane Swan (25)
Gary Ablett (24)
Patrick Dangerfield (23)
Is it fair to them if they don't ?
Scott Thompson (25)
Dane Swan (25)
Gary Ablett (24)
Patrick Dangerfield (23)
Is it fair to them if they don't ?
I think that in this instance there wouldn't be legislation to re-cast the votes anyway, as it is a "best and fairest" award. The umpires determine the "best" and the MRP/Tribunal determines the "fairest".
We see players who have served suspensions receive votes after they return, even though they are no longer eligible to win the Brownlow medal. The votes aren't re-allocated in that situation and in my view (although what do I know?) this would be viewed similarly as far as the Essendon players are concerned. It doesn't make it "ethically" right necessarily, but it does make for an interesting discussion!!
We see players who have served suspensions receive votes after they return, even though they are no longer eligible to win the Brownlow medal. The votes aren't re-allocated in that situation and in my view (although what do I know?) this would be viewed similarly as far as the Essendon players are concerned. It doesn't make it "ethically" right necessarily, but it does make for an interesting discussion!!
Quiksilver
OzCardTrader
See, that is were I am stuck. Had this all been sorted before the 2012 season proper started (which was impossible) then they would not have played. Jobe Watson would not be the brownlow medalist and I'm pretty sure that no Essendon player who could play would have poled a vote !
Suspended players, is something completely different to this. So that equation shouldn't come into it. I would have thought ? It has only happened twice that I know of that a suspended player has won/lost the medal. So l would have thought that a completely different scenario.
Suspended players, is something completely different to this. So that equation shouldn't come into it. I would have thought ? It has only happened twice that I know of that a suspended player has won/lost the medal. So l would have thought that a completely different scenario.
If someone wins the Brownlow, and is disqualified for striking or something during the season, they don't re-distribute all the votes he got. You blokes are making this way too complicated. The next in line gets the trophy, as should Mitchell & Cotchin. Don't see what the problem is.
"you blokes"
PS Port Adelaide will play the first ever match for premiership points in China next season during the scheduled bye weekend - the opponent is still to be announced. What's the bet on a non-Victorian team "volunteering" to be involved!!
The Kangaroos ought to go to China to play Port. They're the league's hardest working prostitutes when it comes to new digs 
And we can be sure Brad Scott would love to add jet lag to the laundry list of excuses he's loves to call on in the grim aftermath of a flogging
And we can be sure Brad Scott would love to add jet lag to the laundry list of excuses he's loves to call on in the grim aftermath of a flogging
Quiksilver
OzCardTrader
"you blokes"
PS Port Adelaide will play the first ever match for premiership points in China next season during the scheduled bye weekend - the opponent is still to be announced. What's the bet on a non-Victorian team "volunteering" to be involved!!
It will be the Western Bulldogs.
Tyrone Vickery is a poor excuse for a footballer.
Hard enough to believe he's racked up 104 games, let alone he was Pick 8 in the same draft as Naitanui.
or better yet
Scott Lycett: 14D 18HO 5T 1.1 - 32 games (Pick 29)
Ty Vickery: 5D 10HO 4T 0.0 - 104 games (Pick 8)
It's time for Richmond to stop investing it that spud and let him play out the rest the season in the twos.
Hard enough to believe he's racked up 104 games, let alone he was Pick 8 in the same draft as Naitanui.
or better yet
Scott Lycett: 14D 18HO 5T 1.1 - 32 games (Pick 29)
Ty Vickery: 5D 10HO 4T 0.0 - 104 games (Pick 8)
It's time for Richmond to stop investing it that spud and let him play out the rest the season in the twos.
I think Ty Vickery is a classic example of a player who benefits from having a permanent ruckman in their team. Some big guys can't play a half in the ruck or pinch hit or do the "around the ground" work. I reckon when Ivan Maric returns, Vickery and Riewoldt as permanent forwards gives Richmond something consistent to aim at.
That said, the ball movement out of defence by the Tigers wouldn't fill the forwards with any great confidence, based on current evidence. It's either a chip to the back pocket/back flank where play slows up completely, or a 50/50 kamikaze ball. Poor Dimma must be tearing his hair out, although it IS still early in the season.
That said, the ball movement out of defence by the Tigers wouldn't fill the forwards with any great confidence, based on current evidence. It's either a chip to the back pocket/back flank where play slows up completely, or a 50/50 kamikaze ball. Poor Dimma must be tearing his hair out, although it IS still early in the season.
@Harsha_12 your boys might have five wins by the halfway point of the season, based on what we have seen so far! I reckon the Hawks v Saints clash today was the game of the season to date. Lady Luck smiled on my lads at times today and it really is exciting to watch St Kilda go about their business.
It's interesting to compare Richmond's "one and three" with St Kilda's "one and three" after four games. The former seems to be spiralling out of control and is being attacked at all angles, whilst the latter looks destined for a rapid rise up the latter and is receiving (deserved!) rave reviews.
It's interesting to compare Richmond's "one and three" with St Kilda's "one and three" after four games. The former seems to be spiralling out of control and is being attacked at all angles, whilst the latter looks destined for a rapid rise up the latter and is receiving (deserved!) rave reviews.
thePACisback
I Hoard Horford
@Matty76 so true. "Team on a rise" is the same record as the same guys who are spiralling out of control.
What difference is there?
And credit to West Coast for their play, but our play was beyond disgusting, to be down 19-74 in the SECOND quarter is something you'd expect in Under 11s or something.
I can't wait for Ivan to come back. Whenever he's been injured and come backed, we've Improved our record drastically.
AFL, Don't rule out Richmond yet. Ivan is our lucky charm.
What difference is there?
And credit to West Coast for their play, but our play was beyond disgusting, to be down 19-74 in the SECOND quarter is something you'd expect in Under 11s or something.
I can't wait for Ivan to come back. Whenever he's been injured and come backed, we've Improved our record drastically.
AFL, Don't rule out Richmond yet. Ivan is our lucky charm.
Unbelievable game! So proud of my Saints they pushed the hawks all the way. So many positives in this performance, the aggression and pressure was brilliant. McCartin really showed some big signs of whats to come
I was at the game mate and although was tearing my hair out at times, the way your mob ran and carried the ball made the Hawks look slow most of the game. It was an exciting game and the young Saints did well, and well done to you for having the right attitude after a close loss. Saints will surprise a few teams this year if they play like that.
Hi all, I posted this in the cricket section as well (as these are the two sections I frequent mostly) - I'm taking a break from the site until the start of June. All is well health-wise (promise!) and I'll check for private messages each week.
Just thought that I would offer the heads-up in case someone thought I'd croaked/been incarcerated/gone nuts
Enjoy your footy, catch you in six weeks or so!
Just thought that I would offer the heads-up in case someone thought I'd croaked/been incarcerated/gone nuts
Enjoy your footy, catch you in six weeks or so!
So after 5 rounds, here's my general feeling team by team
North Melbourne - Felt like this team was on the cusp for the last two years, but kept finding ways to lose games. But this year they've found that extra 5% that gets them over the line and now sees them currently undefeated. But they've had a softish draw lead into the year. Adelaide and Gold Coast are quality wins, but I feel the Fremantle win has lost is shine given their current form. After that Brisbane and Melbourne would've have been penciled in as givens. I think the next game against the Bulldogs will be a good yardstick for where they are placed.
Western Bulldogs - weirdly one of top teams that I haven't watched a lot of. Pushed Hawthorn to the brink, and embarrassed Fremantle in their opener. The rest were easy kills (St Kilda, Carlton, Brisbane) but as their differential shows, when they've won, they crush them. Feel like injuries are going to cruel their season though. The match of the round next against North.
Sydney - Still a top side, but top 4? Pipped at the post by Adelaide, but ran rings around West Coast. Otherwise won games they should've won.
Geelong - Beat Hawthorn but then lose to GWS? A lot has been made of the addition of Dangerfield, but their other boon recruit is Zac Smith. Solid understudy for Stanley in the middle, but also contributes on the score board. A team on the rise, that could sneak into the top 4, but if they don't win their next two at home (Suns, Eagles) it raises questions.
Hawthorn - the team that keeps snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Don't feel like they're at their best, but should still make top 4. Too early to call top 2 though.
GWS - tbh they are about where you expect them to be. Started out with a bag of top draft picks, and have done well in recruiting experienced heads along the way. But can they win without Mumford?
Gold Coast - a team in flux. They started out well, with the win over Fremantle in Perth looking like a team coming of age. But after losses to Brisbane and North Melbourne (at home, where the Suns have towelled them in their last 3 meetings) and now seeing where Fremantle is, Gold Coast is looking fragile. More so without Thompson and May down back. If they lose well against Geelong at Simmonds, then no great shame. But if they get towelled then the next match against Melbourne starts looking more urgent. Ablett needs to start taking the jab, or heal up properly. They don't need him to win these days, and having him hobbling and cradling his arm is just taking up a spot for a more healthy body.
West Coast - Looking like a team that can't travel. And now their home wins aren't looking too impressive either. Of the 3 teams the football media has on red alert, West Coast has beaten two of them (Richmond and Fremantle), the other win being a worrying win against Brisbane where they were allowed to run the ball and rack up triple figures. On the road its been embarrassing. A bitterly disappointing repeat of their GF performance against Hawthorn, and looking all out to sea against Sydney. The match in two weeks against Geelong at Simmonds will be a good marker for where they are.
Adelaide - Probably the team I enjoy watching the most right now. A forward line with a potent mix of talls and smalls, coupled with a ferocious attack on the ball in the middle. Much like Hawthorn sans-Franklin, Adelaide sans-Dangerfield has found another level. Won well and haven't been embarrassed. The dark horse this year.
Melbourne - Bar the loss to Essendon, a team that has taken a massive jump in performance on the field, with two wins and two honourable losses. The 8 might be a stretch, but you feel the dark times are behind them now. Viney carry this club to a brighter future (as long as he stays out of the MRPs sights)
Collingwood - really no way to put their current form in a positive light, the 1 point win over Richmond says it all. The way they played against Melbourne was downright embarrassing. But they've dropped Cloke, something that was long overdue, which opened up a decent spread of scoring against an abysmal Essendon today. Maybe less predictability going forward will make them more dangerous.
Port Adelaide - People question how Fremantle feel so far so quickly, but for me Port is a the great anomaly. They played fast, high scoring football, which seems to be de rigueur this season. But its not working. Output is down from all their leaders, and they can't move the ball. Feels like Dixon hasn't proved his worth to the club, and he's yet to have the usual mid-season ankle injury.
St Kilda - Feels like they're on the right track, but still some way off playing finals again. Beat Collingwod, pipped by Hawthorn, and in it for 3/4 against Port Adelaide show they're no long everyone's whipping boy, but it seems they won't see that lift they need until players like Billings, Dunstan, Bruce, and McCartin start taking the load off the Reiwoldts and the Montagnas. Watching Scully this weekend run Billings ragged was eye opening.
Richmond - sometimes I feel bad for Richmond supporters... sometimes. Hardwick just doesn't seems to have what it takes to take this team beyond also-rans. How Vickery still gets games is beyond me. Sure he can present the odd forward options and kick the occasional goal, but if you actually watch him, his effort is poor. And I get sick to death of the Vic media brigade leaping to Cotchin's defense, his disposal is poor right now. There's no point winning the hard ball if you are just going to continually burn it or flick to teammates under pressure. This team needs a new coach and a new captain.
Carlton - Another team floating around at Collingwood and Richmond's level, but at least here you expect them to be. Bolton has obviously taken the Paul Roos route of shoring up their defense, before improving their attack, because in a season littered with high scores they've only allowed one 100+ point score kicked against them, and that was by Sydney. The win against Fremantle was uglier than a dropped pie, but should provide promise that there is fight in this dog yet. They just need a forward line that can kick set shots as well as they can mark.
Brisbane - games against three top 8 sides from last year, plus a more potent Geelong means the Lions are taking a lot of pain early this season. But they stood tall against the Suns, with fewer rotations on the bench, so I wouldn't write them off just yet. Sydney is up next, but games against Port, Collingwood and Melbourne should be a good indicator if this is a club finding their feet or still treading water.
Essendon - I didn't expect them to go winless all year. Even Gold Coast had a win by the 5th round in their first year. But Essendon are a week by week proposition, competitive one week, terrible the next, and Worsfold shifts the pieces around and imprints his game plan onto this group.
Fremantle -
No that was too harsh
I honestly feel Ross Lyon has reached the end of his usefullness. He preaches a very structured, role orientated brand of football. But this season has been a revolution of sorts. The game is faster, scores are higher, and stoppages are down. Your structures have to be more fluid, players more versatile and the on field leadership is playing a bigger role. He coached to not lose, now you need to coach to win, and Fremantle just can't move the ball in traffic and can't kick a score. He may figure it out, but their season - and premiership window - is slipping with each game. And yes, they have been cruelled by injury, but they were crushed by the Dogs in their opener and it hasn't got better from there.
North Melbourne - Felt like this team was on the cusp for the last two years, but kept finding ways to lose games. But this year they've found that extra 5% that gets them over the line and now sees them currently undefeated. But they've had a softish draw lead into the year. Adelaide and Gold Coast are quality wins, but I feel the Fremantle win has lost is shine given their current form. After that Brisbane and Melbourne would've have been penciled in as givens. I think the next game against the Bulldogs will be a good yardstick for where they are placed.
Western Bulldogs - weirdly one of top teams that I haven't watched a lot of. Pushed Hawthorn to the brink, and embarrassed Fremantle in their opener. The rest were easy kills (St Kilda, Carlton, Brisbane) but as their differential shows, when they've won, they crush them. Feel like injuries are going to cruel their season though. The match of the round next against North.
Sydney - Still a top side, but top 4? Pipped at the post by Adelaide, but ran rings around West Coast. Otherwise won games they should've won.
Geelong - Beat Hawthorn but then lose to GWS? A lot has been made of the addition of Dangerfield, but their other boon recruit is Zac Smith. Solid understudy for Stanley in the middle, but also contributes on the score board. A team on the rise, that could sneak into the top 4, but if they don't win their next two at home (Suns, Eagles) it raises questions.
Hawthorn - the team that keeps snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Don't feel like they're at their best, but should still make top 4. Too early to call top 2 though.
GWS - tbh they are about where you expect them to be. Started out with a bag of top draft picks, and have done well in recruiting experienced heads along the way. But can they win without Mumford?
Gold Coast - a team in flux. They started out well, with the win over Fremantle in Perth looking like a team coming of age. But after losses to Brisbane and North Melbourne (at home, where the Suns have towelled them in their last 3 meetings) and now seeing where Fremantle is, Gold Coast is looking fragile. More so without Thompson and May down back. If they lose well against Geelong at Simmonds, then no great shame. But if they get towelled then the next match against Melbourne starts looking more urgent. Ablett needs to start taking the jab, or heal up properly. They don't need him to win these days, and having him hobbling and cradling his arm is just taking up a spot for a more healthy body.
West Coast - Looking like a team that can't travel. And now their home wins aren't looking too impressive either. Of the 3 teams the football media has on red alert, West Coast has beaten two of them (Richmond and Fremantle), the other win being a worrying win against Brisbane where they were allowed to run the ball and rack up triple figures. On the road its been embarrassing. A bitterly disappointing repeat of their GF performance against Hawthorn, and looking all out to sea against Sydney. The match in two weeks against Geelong at Simmonds will be a good marker for where they are.
Adelaide - Probably the team I enjoy watching the most right now. A forward line with a potent mix of talls and smalls, coupled with a ferocious attack on the ball in the middle. Much like Hawthorn sans-Franklin, Adelaide sans-Dangerfield has found another level. Won well and haven't been embarrassed. The dark horse this year.
Melbourne - Bar the loss to Essendon, a team that has taken a massive jump in performance on the field, with two wins and two honourable losses. The 8 might be a stretch, but you feel the dark times are behind them now. Viney carry this club to a brighter future (as long as he stays out of the MRPs sights)
Collingwood - really no way to put their current form in a positive light, the 1 point win over Richmond says it all. The way they played against Melbourne was downright embarrassing. But they've dropped Cloke, something that was long overdue, which opened up a decent spread of scoring against an abysmal Essendon today. Maybe less predictability going forward will make them more dangerous.
Port Adelaide - People question how Fremantle feel so far so quickly, but for me Port is a the great anomaly. They played fast, high scoring football, which seems to be de rigueur this season. But its not working. Output is down from all their leaders, and they can't move the ball. Feels like Dixon hasn't proved his worth to the club, and he's yet to have the usual mid-season ankle injury.
St Kilda - Feels like they're on the right track, but still some way off playing finals again. Beat Collingwod, pipped by Hawthorn, and in it for 3/4 against Port Adelaide show they're no long everyone's whipping boy, but it seems they won't see that lift they need until players like Billings, Dunstan, Bruce, and McCartin start taking the load off the Reiwoldts and the Montagnas. Watching Scully this weekend run Billings ragged was eye opening.
Richmond - sometimes I feel bad for Richmond supporters... sometimes. Hardwick just doesn't seems to have what it takes to take this team beyond also-rans. How Vickery still gets games is beyond me. Sure he can present the odd forward options and kick the occasional goal, but if you actually watch him, his effort is poor. And I get sick to death of the Vic media brigade leaping to Cotchin's defense, his disposal is poor right now. There's no point winning the hard ball if you are just going to continually burn it or flick to teammates under pressure. This team needs a new coach and a new captain.
Carlton - Another team floating around at Collingwood and Richmond's level, but at least here you expect them to be. Bolton has obviously taken the Paul Roos route of shoring up their defense, before improving their attack, because in a season littered with high scores they've only allowed one 100+ point score kicked against them, and that was by Sydney. The win against Fremantle was uglier than a dropped pie, but should provide promise that there is fight in this dog yet. They just need a forward line that can kick set shots as well as they can mark.
Brisbane - games against three top 8 sides from last year, plus a more potent Geelong means the Lions are taking a lot of pain early this season. But they stood tall against the Suns, with fewer rotations on the bench, so I wouldn't write them off just yet. Sydney is up next, but games against Port, Collingwood and Melbourne should be a good indicator if this is a club finding their feet or still treading water.
Essendon - I didn't expect them to go winless all year. Even Gold Coast had a win by the 5th round in their first year. But Essendon are a week by week proposition, competitive one week, terrible the next, and Worsfold shifts the pieces around and imprints his game plan onto this group.
Fremantle -
No that was too harsh
I honestly feel Ross Lyon has reached the end of his usefullness. He preaches a very structured, role orientated brand of football. But this season has been a revolution of sorts. The game is faster, scores are higher, and stoppages are down. Your structures have to be more fluid, players more versatile and the on field leadership is playing a bigger role. He coached to not lose, now you need to coach to win, and Fremantle just can't move the ball in traffic and can't kick a score. He may figure it out, but their season - and premiership window - is slipping with each game. And yes, they have been cruelled by injury, but they were crushed by the Dogs in their opener and it hasn't got better from there.
Scotty_WCE
West Coast card collector!
Great write up. It's been a really interesting start to the season. It's obviously still very early in the season, but I think the top 9 teams are:So after 5 rounds, here's my general feeling team by team
North Melbourne - Felt like this team was on the cusp for the last two years, but kept finding ways to lose games. But this year they've found that extra 5% that gets them over the line and now sees them currently undefeated. But they've had a softish draw lead into the year. Adelaide and Gold Coast are quality wins, but I feel the Fremantle win has lost is shine given their current form. After that Brisbane and Melbourne would've have been penciled in as givens. I think the next game against the Bulldogs will be a good yardstick for where they are placed.
Western Bulldogs - weirdly one of top teams that I haven't watched a lot of. Pushed Hawthorn to the brink, and embarrassed Fremantle in their opener. The rest were easy kills (St Kilda, Carlton, Brisbane) but as their differential shows, when they've won, they crush them. Feel like injuries are going to cruel their season though. The match of the round next against North.
Sydney - Still a top side, but top 4? Pipped at the post by Adelaide, but ran rings around West Coast. Otherwise won games they should've won.
Geelong - Beat Hawthorn but then lose to GWS? A lot has been made of the addition of Dangerfield, but their other boon recruit is Zac Smith. Solid understudy for Stanley in the middle, but also contributes on the score board. A team on the rise, that could sneak into the top 4, but if they don't win their next two at home (Suns, Eagles) it raises questions.
Hawthorn - the team that keeps snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Don't feel like they're at their best, but should still make top 4. Too early to call top 2 though.
GWS - tbh they are about where you expect them to be. Started out with a bag of top draft picks, and have done well in recruiting experienced heads along the way. But can they win without Mumford?
Gold Coast - a team in flux. They started out well, with the win over Fremantle in Perth looking like a team coming of age. But after losses to Brisbane and North Melbourne (at home, where the Suns have towelled them in their last 3 meetings) and now seeing where Fremantle is, Gold Coast is looking fragile. More so without Thompson and May down back. If they lose well against Geelong at Simmonds, then no great shame. But if they get towelled then the next match against Melbourne starts looking more urgent. Ablett needs to start taking the jab, or heal up properly. They don't need him to win these days, and having him hobbling and cradling his arm is just taking up a spot for a more healthy body.
West Coast - Looking like a team that can't travel. And now their home wins aren't looking too impressive either. Of the 3 teams the football media has on red alert, West Coast has beaten two of them (Richmond and Fremantle), the other win being a worrying win against Brisbane where they were allowed to run the ball and rack up triple figures. On the road its been embarrassing. A bitterly disappointing repeat of their GF performance against Hawthorn, and looking all out to sea against Sydney. The match in two weeks against Geelong at Simmonds will be a good marker for where they are.
Adelaide - Probably the team I enjoy watching the most right now. A forward line with a potent mix of talls and smalls, coupled with a ferocious attack on the ball in the middle. Much like Hawthorn sans-Franklin, Adelaide sans-Dangerfield has found another level. Won well and haven't been embarrassed. The dark horse this year.
Melbourne - Bar the loss to Essendon, a team that has taken a massive jump in performance on the field, with two wins and two honourable losses. The 8 might be a stretch, but you feel the dark times are behind them now. Viney carry this club to a brighter future (as long as he stays out of the MRPs sights)
Collingwood - really no way to put their current form in a positive light, the 1 point win over Richmond says it all. The way they played against Melbourne was downright embarrassing. But they've dropped Cloke, something that was long overdue, which opened up a decent spread of scoring against an abysmal Essendon today. Maybe less predictability going forward will make them more dangerous.
Port Adelaide - People question how Fremantle feel so far so quickly, but for me Port is a the great anomaly. They played fast, high scoring football, which seems to be de rigueur this season. But its not working. Output is down from all their leaders, and they can't move the ball. Feels like Dixon hasn't proved his worth to the club, and he's yet to have the usual mid-season ankle injury.
St Kilda - Feels like they're on the right track, but still some way off playing finals again. Beat Collingwod, pipped by Hawthorn, and in it for 3/4 against Port Adelaide show they're no long everyone's whipping boy, but it seems they won't see that lift they need until players like Billings, Dunstan, Bruce, and McCartin start taking the load off the Reiwoldts and the Montagnas. Watching Scully this weekend run Billings ragged was eye opening.
Richmond - sometimes I feel bad for Richmond supporters... sometimes. Hardwick just doesn't seems to have what it takes to take this team beyond also-rans. How Vickery still gets games is beyond me. Sure he can present the odd forward options and kick the occasional goal, but if you actually watch him, his effort is poor. And I get sick to death of the Vic media brigade leaping to Cotchin's defense, his disposal is poor right now. There's no point winning the hard ball if you are just going to continually burn it or flick to teammates under pressure. This team needs a new coach and a new captain.
Carlton - Another team floating around at Collingwood and Richmond's level, but at least here you expect them to be. Bolton has obviously taken the Paul Roos route of shoring up their defense, before improving their attack, because in a season littered with high scores they've only allowed one 100+ point score kicked against them, and that was by Sydney. The win against Fremantle was uglier than a dropped pie, but should provide promise that there is fight in this dog yet. They just need a forward line that can kick set shots as well as they can mark.
Brisbane - games against three top 8 sides from last year, plus a more potent Geelong means the Lions are taking a lot of pain early this season. But they stood tall against the Suns, with fewer rotations on the bench, so I wouldn't write them off just yet. Sydney is up next, but games against Port, Collingwood and Melbourne should be a good indicator if this is a club finding their feet or still treading water.
Essendon - I didn't expect them to go winless all year. Even Gold Coast had a win by the 5th round in their first year. But Essendon are a week by week proposition, competitive one week, terrible the next, and Worsfold shifts the pieces around and imprints his game plan onto this group.
Fremantle -
No that was too harsh
I honestly feel Ross Lyon has reached the end of his usefullness. He preaches a very structured, role orientated brand of football. But this season has been a revolution of sorts. The game is faster, scores are higher, and stoppages are down. Your structures have to be more fluid, players more versatile and the on field leadership is playing a bigger role. He coached to not lose, now you need to coach to win, and Fremantle just can't move the ball in traffic and can't kick a score. He may figure it out, but their season - and premiership window - is slipping with each game. And yes, they have been cruelled by injury, but they were crushed by the Dogs in their opener and it hasn't got better from there.
Adelaide
Geelong
Gold Coast
Greater Western Sydney
Hawthorn
North Melbourne
Sydney
West Coast
Western Bulldogs
The question is who's going to miss out on the 8? I'd say probably one of the two expansion clubs, maybe Gold Coast at this stage. But a week's a long time in football, let alone 18 weeks!
Quiksilver
OzCardTrader
You missed the point completely. I'm not making anything complicated, I'm trying to be fair & honest about it. It simply can't be taken from 1 & given to another.
If the afl had got there act together & dealt with the situation instead of letting it drag on & on. Then the Essendon 34 would have been suspended before the season started (that is what there saying by stripping him of the medal) then Jobe would not have poled a vote & if there not playing WHO get's the votes ?
This is a completely different scenario to a striking incident that get's you suspended. They should have not played that year, 2012. That is what they are saying when they say Jobe shouldn't have the medal.
Then there is the other problem this is not an Olympic sport where you have clear defined 1 to 8 finishes, you have several hundred players in this. You can not just take it from the winner & give it to the next in line here, this is something that has not happened in sport anywhere on the planet that I am aware of ?
If they strip him & give it to Sam Mitchell & Trent Cotchin it will be a great way to end this shock part of afl history. I have said if Jobe can't have it, then due to all the logistical problems that come with taking it no one should have it.