2016 AFL Season Discussion

ShueyGaffDarlingNat · Oct 19, 2016

Lazlow said:
Vardy's nominated West Coast, it from reports it sounds like he's going to get there.

Think even the person running West Coast's twitter feed might have been against this when they liked this reply:

Yeah i expected as much.

Considering we're not giving up much for him (4th rounder apparently) i can live with it. He is still young enough that if he can stay healthy he may make a go of it but i have a feeling he will get to know East Perth rather well over the next few years. All in all though we addressed our needs with ruck support and midfield help coming in and still get to go to the draft with round 1 and 2 picks and a 3rd rounder for Waterman.

Vozzo & Rawlings have performed very well indeed......plus we avoided Old man river (Petrie) King hit, drop kick (Conca) and Frodo (Ballantyne) so i'm pretty happy overall.

thePACisback · Oct 19, 2016

Plus we got Toby Nankervis from Sydney too for like a 3rd round pick

Is he good Swans fans?

@ShueyGaffDarlingNat Theres still hope that you can get Spud Conca out of Tigerland lol

ShueyGaffDarlingNat · Oct 19, 2016

thePACisback said:
Plus we got Toby Nankervis from Sydney too for like a 3rd round pick

Is he good Swans fans?

@ShueyGaffDarlingNat Theres still hope that you can get Spud Conca out of Tigerland lol

No, No..... You're stuck with him..... besides we have enough spuds of our own thank you very much.

As for Nankervis, he is serviceable and considering you gave up a 3rd??? That's pretty reasonable.

thePACisback · Oct 19, 2016

Let's hope Freo have an interest in him haha

Lazlow · Oct 19, 2016

Mega post because I just effin love trade periods

So the current trade situation is like this:

Adelaide
- no trades completed

Brisbane
In:
Out: Pearce Hanley

Carlton
- no trades completed

Collingwood
In: Daniel Wells, Chris Mayne
out: Nathan Brown

Essendon
In:
Out: Michael Hibberd

Fremantle
In: Cam McCarthy, Brad Hill, Joel Hamling
out: Chris Mayne

Geelong
- no trades completed

Gold Coast
In: Pearce Hanley
Out: Dion Prestia

GWS
In:
out: Cam McCarthy, Jack Steele, Paul Ahern

Hawthorn
In: Tyrone Vicker, Tom Mitchell
Out: Brad Hill, Sam Mitchell, Jordan Lewis

Melbourne
In: Jordan Lewis, Michael Hibberd
Out:

North Melbourne
In: Paul Ahern
out: Daniel Wells

Port Adelaide
- no trades completed

Richmond
In: Dion Prestia, Toby Nankervis
Out: Tyrone Vickery

St Kilda
In: Jack Steele, Nathan Brown
Out:

Sydney
In:
Out: Tom Mitchell, Toby Nankervis

West Coast
In: Sam Mitchell
Out:

Western Bulldogs
In:
Out: Joel Hamling

Few trades to be worked out and made official (O'meara, Tuohy, Deledio, Vardy)

And with all the pick trading here's the current draft order (first two rounds)

1. Essendon
2. GWS
3. Brisbane
4. Gold Coast
5. Carlton
6. Gold Coast
7. Fremantle
8. Gold Coast
9. Port Adelaide
10. Hawthorn
11. North Melbourne
12. West Coast
13. Adelaide
14. Sydney
15. GWS
16. Brisbane
17. Sydney
18. Western Bulldogs
19. Port Adelaide (Priority)
20. Essendon
21. Brisbane
22. Brisbane
23. St Kilda
24. Richmond
25. Carlton
26. Gold Coast
27. Richmond
28. Collingwood
29. Essendon
30. Port Adelaide
31. GWS
32. North Melbourne
33. North Melbourne
34. West Coast
35. Western Bulldogs
36. St Kilda
37. GWS
38. Geelong
39. Sydney
40. Fremantle

My thoughts:

Brisbane going hard at the draft, with 4 picks in the first 22, looking to lock Jack Bowes not doubt.

That said, Gold Coast also going hard at the draft, with 3 picks in the top 10.

What are North are doing though. Dropped off horribly this year. Now no Petrie, no Harvey, no Dal Santo, trade injury prone Wells for injury prone Ahern, and just 1 pick in the top 30. Unless something dramatic happens in the next day, they're screwed, because nothing on their current list looks like they'll make the jump next year.

Would really love to know Hawthorn's endgame. Can't see them landing O'meara without either giving up Pick 10 - their only pick in the top 40 - or giving up more quality players. Tom Mitchell's a good get, but I have no idea why they went after Vickery, unless they hope they can turn him into a Roughead replacement. Losing Sam Mitchell, Lewis and Hill is not what I'd considering trimming the fat. Some speculate they're clearing the books for next year when Dustin Martin and Nat Fyfe are on the market. (whichs begs the question, how could you be so confident they will still be on the market...)

1 day left, hold onto ya butts!

BLOWN8 · Oct 20, 2016

I dislike Vickery also, but Hawthorns issue next year was going to be this, you cant bank of Roughy being back mid year, and with Ceglar out all year we were seriously lacking a tall forward who can help out McEvoy in the ruck from time to time. Lets be honest, there weren't too many ready made forward/ruckmen available, Hawks had to get him. Roughy might be back mid year, but might take him a good month to get back into the swing of it, and without a Vickery type it would have been too late. I trust it was the right decision to get him, what i don't like is what i'm hearing he might be earning.
It will be a mad house at the AFL today with everyone rushing too get trades happening last minute. Not too concerned if Hawks don't get O'Meara as the Suns boss is being a total toss over the whole trade. I don't want the Hawks to give up too much for him. What i don't understand is if the Suns don't get a trade organised then he walks into the draft and they get nothing, surely picks 10 and one in the 40's is a hell of a lot better than being a stubborn twat and getting nothing.

Shaunao1983 · Oct 20, 2016

BLOWN8 said:
I dislike Vickery also, but Hawthorns issue next year was going to be this, you cant bank of Roughy being back mid year, and with Ceglar out all year we were seriously lacking a tall forward who can help out McEvoy in the ruck from time to time. Lets be honest, there weren't too many ready made forward/ruckmen available, Hawks had to get him. Roughy might be back mid year, but might take him a good month to get back into the swing of it, and without a Vickery type it would have been too late. I trust it was the right decision to get him, what i don't like is what i'm hearing he might be earning.
It will be a mad house at the AFL today with everyone rushing too get trades happening last minute. Not too concerned if Hawks don't get O'Meara as the Suns boss is being a total toss over the whole trade. I don't want the Hawks to give up too much for him. What i don't understand is if the Suns don't get a trade organised then he walks into the draft and they get nothing, surely picks 10 and one in the 40's is a hell of a lot better than being a stubborn twat and getting nothing.

Exactly. Tony Cochrane would be doing a disservice to Gold Coast by letting O'Meara walk for nothing. I'd take pick 10. It would be nice to get him but if it doesn't work out , we go to the draft with pick 10.

Lazlow · Oct 20, 2016

tbh I like that Cochrane is sticking to his guns. Too many times the threat of being sent into the draft is seen as empty, as its assumed clubs would rather something than nothing.

But with 4 picks within the first 30 - 3 in the top 10 - they're not exactly hard up for picks.

Qld teams have taken a battering at the trade table lately, and they're drawing a line in the sand. If a player wants out, they won't just take any old deal for the sake of it, and being thrown back into the mix at the draft is a very real possibility for the player.

And its all too easy to pin this just on the Suns, but Hawthorn hasn't exactly come to the party either. Even if Lewis had agreed to go to the Gold Coast, I question whether the Suns would've taken someone of the back end of their career when they're essentially in a rebuild of sorts. Wouldn't think bolstering their playing group with experience heads for short term success is exactly their plan right now.

Lazlow · Oct 20, 2016

And it's over

Think I've got everything

Adelaide
In:
Out: Jarryd Lyons

Brisbane
In: Jack Frost
Out: Pearce Hanley

Carlton
In: Billie Smedts, Caleb Marchbank, Jarrod Pickett, Rhys Palmer
Out: Zach Tuohy

Collingwood
In: Daniel Wells, Chris Mayne, Will Hoskin-Elliot, Lynden Dunn
Out: Nathan Brown, Jarrod Witts, Travis Cloke, Jack Frost, Marley Williams

Essendon
In: James Stewart
Out: Michael Hibberd

Fremantle
In: Cam McCarthy, Brad Hill, Joel Hamling, Shane Kersten
out: Chris Mayne

Geelong
In: Zach Tuohy, Aaron Black
Out: Shane Kersten, Billie Smedts, Josh Caddy, Nathan Vardy

Gold Coast
In: Pearce Hanley, Jarryd Lyons, Jarrod Witts
Out: Dion Prestia, Jaeger O'Meara

GWS
In: Brett Deledio
Out: Cam McCarthy, Jack Steele, Paul Ahern, Pat McKenna, James Stewart, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Caleb Marchbank, Jarrod Pickett, Rhys Palmer

Hawthorn
In: Tyrone Vicker, Tom Mitchell, Jaeger O'Meara
Out: Brad Hill, Sam Mitchell, Jordan Lewis

Melbourne
In: Jordan Lewis, Michael Hibberd, Pat McKenna
Out: Lynden Dunn

North Melbourne
In: Paul Ahern, Nathan Hrovat, Marley Williams
out: Daniel Wells, Aaron Black

Port Adelaide
- no trades completed

Richmond
In: Dion Prestia, Toby Nankervis, Josh Caddy
Out: Tyrone Vickery, Brett Deledio

St Kilda
In: Jack Steele, Nathan Brown, Koby Stevens
Out:

Sydney
In:
Out: Tom Mitchell, Toby Nankervis

West Coast
In: Sam Mitchell, Nathan Vardy
Out:

Western Bulldogs
In: Travis Cloke
Out: Joel Hamling, Nathan Hrovat, Koby Stevens

O'Meara deal done at the death, Pick 10 + multiple future 2nd round picks. Gibbs however stays at Carlton.

Shaunao1983 · Oct 20, 2016

Good on Gold Coast and Hawthorn for getting the deal done. O'Meara is "up and about" according to Colin Young.
Deledio takes a pay cut to join GWS.

thePACisback · Oct 20, 2016

Nice trade period for Tigers!

Spud and Veteran replaced with gun mids and a ruckman... Awesome

Lazlow · Oct 20, 2016

Shaunao1983 said:
Good on Gold Coast and Hawthorn for getting the deal done. O'Meara is "up and about" according to Colin Young.

Does mean however that Hawthorn's first pick in this year's draft is in the 5th round at pick #88

And they've already trade a first round and multiple second round picks in next year's draft.

Lazlow · Oct 20, 2016

Updated draft order (first two rounds)

1. Essendon
2. GWS
3. Brisbane
4. Gold Coast
5. Carlton
6. Gold Coast
7. Fremantle
8. Gold Coast
9. Sydney
10. Gold Coast
11. North Melbourne
12. West Coast
13. Adelaide
14. Port Adelaide
15. GWS
16. Brisbane
17. Port Adelaide
18. Western Bulldogs
19. Sydney
20. Essendon
21. Brisbane
22. Brisbane
23. St Kilda
24. Geelong
25. Carlton
26. Western Bulldogs
27. Richmond
28. Collingwood
29. Essendon
30. Port Adelaide
31. Port Adelaide
32. North Melbourne
33. North Melbourne
34. West Coast
35. Gold Coast
36. St Kilda
37. GWS
38. Geelong
39. GWS
40. Fremantle

Shaunao1983 · Oct 20, 2016

Lazlow said:
Does mean however that Hawthorn's first pick in this year's draft is in the 5th round at pick #88

And they've already trade a first round and multiple second round picks in next year's draft.

Apparently our first pick is in the second round. We have given Carlton 3 later picks for a second round pick in this years draft. Here's a link below.
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2016-10-20/hawks-land-omeara

Shaunao1983 · Oct 20, 2016

thePACisback said:
Nice trade period for Tigers!

Spud and Veteran replaced with gun mids and a ruckman... Awesome

Gotta be stoked to get Caddyshack and The Meatball.

Lazlow · Oct 20, 2016

Shaunao1983 said:
Apparently our first pick is in the second round. We have given Carlton 3 later picks for a second round pick in this years draft. Here's a link below.
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2016-10-20/hawks-land-omeara

The second rounder they got off Carlton is for the 2017 draft, so they could use their own second round 2017 pick to land O'meara.

BLOWN8 · Oct 20, 2016

Can't believe Collingwood got a better draft pick for Cloke than what Hawthorn got for Sam Mitchell. This shocks me!

thePACisback · Oct 20, 2016

Since the trade period is over

What are you guys thinking of the draft this year?

This year will be the best draft in a while (not 2002 good, but nearly as good). Some great mids, but the draft is a bit short on virtually anything else.

I watch the draft avidly every year, and I live 5 mins away from a top TAC Cup program (Oakleigh Chargers); this year's draft excites me.

Oh, and I just noticed that @BLOWN8 is literally on 2,999 posts haha

BLOWN8 · Oct 20, 2016

thePACisback said:
Since the trade period is over

What are you guys thinking of the draft this year?

This year will be the best draft in a while (not 2002 good, but nearly as good). Some great mids, but the draft is a bit short on virtually anything else.

I watch the draft avidly every year, and I live 5 mins away from a top TAC Cup program (Oakleigh Chargers); this year's draft excites me.

Oh, and I just noticed that @BLOWN8 is literally on 2,999 posts haha

Good spot, guess that means this is lucky number 3000 then

I also love the draft. But I take more of an interest in which Tassie guys get drafted and also who the Hawks pick up. I don't pretend to know who's going to get drafted and in what order, but still exciting.

Lazlow · Oct 31, 2016

Eagles had delisted Mitch Brown who will seek a move back to Victoria as a delisted free agent.

They also delisted Fraser McInnes, but will look to re-draft him as a rookie.

Tom Lamb also signed on for another year.

Was curious about the kid, so I followed the West Coast insta page to Lamb's... and now I see why he probably wants a move back to Victoria.

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