2011 Champions - Impressions

Hi everyone.
Well another year of very poor quality from select.
I have only bought 3 folders and 6 pkts but what a load of crap. I have at least 20 cards that have been creased when they have sealed the packets they have been caught in the top or bottom of the pkts.
Will not be collecting this years and everyone else should do the same as this will be the only way to make select take notice if they have a heap of boxes returned to them and cant sell them i think they will have to lift there game so make a stand and boycott 2011. NOT HAPPY JAN. Spottyroach.
 
tak35bne said:
Everyone seems to think its Select who make all the decisions about how many cards, which players and even which photo's are used, if only that were true.............don't forget the NRL have a huge say in what goes on, remember its their product too and select have the licence to print what they are told to a degree. 20 cards per team and a 320 card base is, well I won't say what it is, that idea might have been alright 30 years ago but as has been said, kids and adults want bang for their buck, that means the chance of something nice in a pack.

When speaking with Select today about the printing in China I was informed that all the cards were loaded into packs by hand, hundreds of chinese citizens putting cards into the packs, I said well that is how we get heaps of cards with corner point damage.

All the excuses in the world can be made about the printing but the bottom line is that Select is untimately responsible. I was chastised this afternoon by a Select employee by being vocal on their website, by phone, on facebook and twitter for complaining about their product, I was told that social networking pages were not the appropriate medium to voice my concerns about their product, I should have called to discuss it first, Well its my right to winge and ***** about anything I want expecially shoddy workman ship, I just hope that my persistance helped in making Select release a statement about the quality control issues.

This afternoon I have sent via express post auto's, rookies, silver parallels and base cards back to select that are below acceptable standard, I wonder what I get in return.

In addition, I am also off the opinion that the certification by Mr Copley on the back of all Select's auto's are not worth the effort, I have been told that player managers pick up the blank auto's from Select and take them to the player who are told a date to have them completed by. The players are also provided with sufficient pens to use a new pen every 20 cards and are instructed to not put cards on top of other cards etc BUT here is the rub, no one from Select monitors this process but Mr Copley signs off as stating this is the signature of that player..............IF THIS IS TRUE then I feel jipped.

Rant over for today, sorry peoples.
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Dave, your rant was awesome! There should be more like it!

I actually wasn't a 'fan' of Select on FB, but I'm on board now!
 
spottyroach said:
Hi everyone.
Well another year of very poor quality from select.
I have only bought 3 folders and 6 pkts but what a load of crap. I have at least 20 cards that have been creased when they have sealed the packets they have been caught in the top or bottom of the pkts.
Will not be collecting this years and everyone else should do the same as this will be the only way to make select take notice if they have a heap of boxes returned to them and cant sell them i think they will have to lift there game so make a stand and boycott 2011. NOT HAPPY JAN. Spottyroach.
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I hear you and agree totally, it is just a shame that boxes won't be returned to Select, they sell a fair majority of their product to their Australian Distributor who sells wholesale to authorised dealers etc, if they get returned it most likely will be to JHL...........:(
 
I opened a box today, Same story as others, Several silvers with corner damage, Got the ratio of cards for the box.

Found all of my inserts in the bottom half of the box, Anyone else find this, seems girds did as well.
 
all the bottom and on the left hand side rey.

auto, rookie sensation, master gem and a rookie were found on the bottom left hand.

i bought 34/36 packs and only lost out on one rookie but made up for it with the auto payed the full 102 would have been better to buy a box through someone off here.

im sending all my damaged silver parallels back, not going to bother with anything else
 
thankyou very much tak35bne

jono

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anyway that scan dave can be bigger so i can read it ?

cheers man

jono
 
Interested to here the comments about the bottom left hand packets. I opened a case and in all but a couple I started to notice the bottom left hand 4 packets would give me three hits. Either 2 gems and a rookie or 1 gem , 1 rookie and 1 rookie sensation. Makes it a little easy for boxes to be searched. You wonder how or why this happens.
The quality that came out of my case was ok. Generally the silvers were pretty good and all my inserts bar a couple of Rookies were very good. I know the overall quality ie how thin the cards are was dissapointing but I don't think a boycott is the way to go. I think this will only hurt the trading card hobby in Australia if people stop collecting the product. Some more positive alternative is needed. Any Thoughts....
 
The Villain said:
thankyou very much tak35bne

jono

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anyway that scan dave can be bigger so i can read it ?

cheers man

jono
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Jono, it is inserted as a PDF file so that you can download it and view with Adobe Reader and it will be full size and quite readable.

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Gameday Online said:
Interested to here the comments about the bottom left hand packets. I opened a case and in all but a couple I started to notice the bottom left hand 4 packets would give me three hits. Either 2 gems and a rookie or 1 gem , 1 rookie and 1 rookie sensation. Makes it a little easy for boxes to be searched. You wonder how or why this happens.
The quality that came out of my case was ok. Generally the silvers were pretty good and all my inserts bar a couple of Rookies were very good. I know the overall quality ie how thin the cards are was dissapointing but I don't think a boycott is the way to go. I think this will only hurt the trading card hobby in Australia if people stop collecting the product. Some more positive alternative is needed. Any Thoughts....
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I think collectors will naturally boycott a product that is substandard and if not a total boycott then I think they may cut back on their collecting. I think the AFL collectors are going to face the same quality control issues that we had and if Series 2 is printed in the same manner then wow, is the stuff going to hit the fan.

I don't know about other collectors but I try to buy Australian made at every opportunity, I would be happy to pay a little more for my cards if they were printed in Australia not China. Printing back in Australia again is an alternative.
 
tak35bne said:
Jono, it is inserted as a PDF file so that you can download it and view with Adobe Reader and it will be full size and quite readable.

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I think collectors will naturally boycott a product that is substandard and if not a total boycott then I think they may cut back on their collecting. I think the AFL collectors are going to face the same quality control issues that we had and if Series 2 is printed in the same manner then wow, is the stuff going to hit the fan.

I don't know about other collectors but I try to buy Australian made at every opportunity, I would be happy to pay a little more for my cards if they were printed in Australia not China. Printing back in Australia again is an alternative.
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I agree with the sentiments. The products should be Australian made and the quality control should be better. The problem is that when the product goes up in price then we have people complaining that it is over priced and they cannot afford to collect it. The product they produce needs to appeal to a wide variety of collectors as well. Both the serious collector and also the younger market of kids collecting for fun. I agree Select has probably missed the mark with this release. I think the biggest problem with Select is the lack of communication. I have been on this forum for a few years know and have seen plenty of rants and complaints about Select and plenty of people who have attempted to communicate with Select but no real channel of Select communicating back. Does Select have a representative on this Forum and if they don't maybe they need to. Maybe an "ASK SELECT SECTION" that they can openly communicate back to the buying public. Then some calm rational communication could take place. I can imagine Select have a delicate balancing act between providing the product that the public want and staying afloat. After all they are a business and having been a seller of trading cards I understands margins are very thin and imagine this would be the same on the production side of things. Not making excuses for any errors they may make just trying to understand why so in the future we can all enjoy the hobby more. Boycott Series 1 and there will be no Series 2 like last year. I still do not think this is the solution.

Peter

Gameday Online
 
Select is S....T! I have opened a few packs now from our local shop( not from the bottom left even though i am tempted to try next time i am there but i dont want to give them anymore of my money) and the free ones that came with my folder and well i have to agree with most of u guys about packs being hard to open( i used scissors to cut top and bottom of pack) to most of my silver parallel cards come out with roller marks(these seem to wipe off though) some have bent corners some just arnet flat from the pack some r lifting on the edge from poor cutting and one common that i have has roller impressions embedded into the card like i said to young nath if cards get damaged in my possession well thats my fault i can live with that but when u get them damaged in some way new from a pack that is crap they have some major quality control issues and they need to sought it out for us collectors
 
Gameday Online said:
I agree with the sentiments. The products should be Australian made and the quality control should be better. The problem is that when the product goes up in price then we have people complaining that it is over priced and they cannot afford to collect it. The product they produce needs to appeal to a wide variety of collectors as well. Both the serious collector and also the younger market of kids collecting for fun. I agree Select has probably missed the mark with this release. I think the biggest problem with Select is the lack of communication. I have been on this forum for a few years know and have seen plenty of rants and complaints about Select and plenty of people who have attempted to communicate with Select but no real channel of Select communicating back. Does Select have a representative on this Forum and if they don't maybe they need to. Maybe an "ASK SELECT SECTION" that they can openly communicate back to the buying public. Then some calm rational communication could take place. I can imagine Select have a delicate balancing act between providing the product that the public want and staying afloat. After all they are a business and having been a seller of trading cards I understands margins are very thin and imagine this would be the same on the production side of things. Not making excuses for any errors they may make just trying to understand why so in the future we can all enjoy the hobby more. Boycott Series 1 and there will be no Series 2 like last year. I still do not think this is the solution.

Peter

Gameday Online
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Profit margins for some sets would be low, but they must surely have made a motza from the Scanlens cards and the Ashes cards (if those ones sold out).

Personally I wish the crew who make the Daily Telegraph cards would get a shot, if that were to happen I wouldn't be averse to Select going bust at all. The DT cards seem good quality, better ideas for subsets, better player selection and a bit more interesting design.

Plus they go to the trouble of reprinting error cards with the wrong player on.

Of course, how much of this is down to the Daily Telegraph and the NRL we don't know, but they can't be worse than Select, and at least their production of cards doesn't have huge defects.
 
Plenty of valid points here and I have plenty of issues with select but i'd hate to see them go broke. One thing I think they probably have to do is increase the cost of the packets to increase the quality. Prices have not increased since the 90's really and I think the product is suffering. Wages cost of printing and everything that goes with producing something like this would have gone up. I think there certainly needs to be a cheaper news agent set and for them to do that as cheap as they can while maintaining a reasonable quality product. Something for kids to trade in the playground but i guess the newpaper cards and tazo's could fill that section.

For series 2 i'd much rather see the price increased to 10 bucks a pack and for select to give serious collectors what they actually want.. a collectable premium product. Something with game worn material cards, more signatures, and.. a complete base set that is actually worth caring about. I still dream of the day where select makes a set that actually looks good in a folder. If they are going to have 4 checklists why not put them at the end of the set? Two pages of base cards! Some little changes could make the world of difference.

In a day and age where finding out what your target market come to you online it is just crazy select never seem to ask collectors what they want. It would be so simple for them to run a survey on their website and find out about where they should be heading. If collectors move away from the hobby en masse, they lose the rights to make cards or even go broke they will have no one to blame but themselves.
 
"For series 2 i'd much rather see the price increased to 10 bucks a pack "

__ck That!

What if u got a dud pack - leave it at $5, and we can jus hope we get something good!


!!!---Also jus bought 8packs from the bottom left side n only got a dugan gem----!!!!
 
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