Your opinions on people selling items to others when you offered to buy first.
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Exactly! Thats what I meant when I said "a better buyer". I think the thread creator have asked almost everyone or have started multiple threads on this site for MJ, Pippen and Rodman cards since he joined but I can only see 1 feedback for him as a buyer...
Chris_Paul3
CP3-Hornets Collector
ozballer23
#1 J.R. Smith Collector
Essellohbeebeewhy
OzCardTrader
He did post it - someone got on his case about posting it rather than simply PM'ing it - now everyones getting on his case about not posting it
. Poor guy can't win.On topic, I'm of the view that if you want to bind the other party, ensure you have a legal contract. That doesn't need to be in writing, and certainly doesn't need to be in a deal thread, but a deal thread is the best way of indicating both parties are of a mutual understanding about the deal and intend to contract - so i'm with most people here in the sense you don't have a deal thread, you don't have a deal.
Essellohbeebeewhy
OzCardTrader
He did post it - someone got on his case about posting it rather than simply PM'ing it - now everyones getting on his case about not posting it
On topic, I'm of the view that if you want to bind the other party, ensure you have a legal contract. That doesn't need to be in writing, and certainly doesn't need to be in a deal thread, but a deal thread is the best way of indicating both parties are of a mutual understanding about the deal and intend to contract - so i'm with most people here in the sense you don't have a deal thread, you don't have a deal.
i think you'll find that their contract WAS binding as it was agreed to in writing. If they'd have doen it over the phone it would still be binding as Verbal agreements are contracts binding by a court of law so if he decided to press it im sure it would be ruled in his favour. 2 parties agreeing to undertake a personal exchange can be deemed a contract. he doesnt need to have a thread on here to make it binding.
ozballer23
#1 J.R. Smith Collector
Um pretty sure my post was pretty clear that a contract need not be in writing, maybe I was distracted by the fact i'm sitting in a Law lecture but thanks for the expert advice
.Your post ignores quite a bit of the rules of contracting though, as I stated, a deal thread indicates an intention to be create a binding contract by both parties. Just because two people PM back and forth and may appear to have a deal, both parties have to treat it as an intention to be bound, and one party may not think they are bound until a trade thread is drawn up and agreed to.
There are also numerous other reasons a 'deal' on these boards won't be a 'contract enforceable at law' such as the age of the parties.
ozballer23
#1 J.R. Smith Collector
Um pretty sure my post was pretty clear that a contract need not be in writing, maybe I was distracted by the fact i'm sitting in a Law lecture but thanks for the expert advice
Your post ignores quite a bit of the rules of contracting though, as I stated, a deal thread indicates an intention to be create a binding contract by both parties. Just because two people PM back and forth and may appear to have a deal, both parties have to treat it as an intention to be bound, and one party may not think they are bound until a trade thread is drawn up and agreed to.
There are also numerous other reasons a 'deal' on these boards won't be a 'contract enforceable at law' such as the age of the parties.
The fact that he didn't return a pm with a shipping price shows that he didn't hold the deal to be bound in other words = no contract. Good point.
But c'mon guys! We're talking about a few cards here, worth how much? If you're gonna take this to court, I suggest you have too much time on your hands nad need to invest in a tv.
Essellohbeebeewhy
OzCardTrader
Um pretty sure my post was pretty clear that a contract need not be in writing, maybe I was distracted by the fact i'm sitting in a Law lecture but thanks for the expert advice
Your post ignores quite a bit of the rules of contracting though, as I stated, a deal thread indicates an intention to be create a binding contract by both parties. Just because two people PM back and forth and may appear to have a deal, both parties have to treat it as an intention to be bound, and one party may not think they are bound until a trade thread is drawn up and agreed to.
There are also numerous other reasons a 'deal' on these boards won't be a 'contract enforceable at law' such as the age of the parties.
yessssssss flushed him out The fact that he didn't return a pm with a shipping price shows that he didn't hold the deal to be bound in other words = no contract. Good point.
But c'mon guys! We're talking about a few cards here, worth how much? If you're gonna take this to court, I suggest you have too much time on your hands nad need to invest in a tv.
LOL exactly. Going to court over a bit of cardboard would be pretty laughable, however I did see a Judge Judy episode where they got in an expert card grader to prove a card sold to a guy was fake
.The shipping thing is probably the key here. Unless the seller says "i'll sell to you for $x delivered" or the buyer says "i'll pay whatever postage, just let me know" then there is absolutely no legal contract. I'm sure the buyer wouldn't want to be bound if the seller said the postage was $30.
But that's where ethics come in, if a buyer pulls out when postage charges are reasonable then thats just unethical, and for a seller to sell to someone else without stating a reasonable postage price after investigation then that's equally unethical.
ozballer23
#1 J.R. Smith Collector
LOL exactly. Going to court over a bit of cardboard would be pretty laughable, however I did see a Judge Judy episode where they got in an expert card grader to prove a card sold to a guy was fake
The shipping thing is probably the key here. Unless the seller says "i'll sell to you for $x delivered" or the buyer says "i'll pay whatever postage, just let me know" then there is absolutely no legal contract. I'm sure the buyer wouldn't want to be bound if the seller said the postage was $30.
But that's where ethics come in, if a buyer pulls out when postage charges are reasonable then thats just unethical, and for a seller to sell to someone else without stating a reasonable postage price after investigation then that's equally unethical.
I saw that about the baseball card also! Sick leave at home will make you watch any day time tv
Mind you, that was about a fake demaggio auto? That sold for about $1000usd? Little different from this situation, someone being ripped off compared to no deal that has happened.
Chris_Paul3
CP3-Hornets Collector
These are facts if two people make a deal ( phone ,internet or wherever )and accept and 1 party goes to draw the thread and the other party gets offered more once they have agreed to the first deal by another party , yes it is not set in concrete because he has not accepted the deal formally via a thread , but if they party pulls out because he was offered more is disgusting after he has accepted off the record.
This has been what happens in business not here and for a few dollars and hobby and as i was saying before ethics ( because this is a small community and it will hit you back in the near future )
For eg...
A guy was putting up a sale on here and there was a lot of interest so 6 guys pm'ed the seller for the card he did not now go oh i have a few bitters let me suck them for what i can get , he checked who was the first to pm or message and it was theirs, this is the sort of trust you have with a forum community not for people now to try and be hustlers and scammers for a few extra coin.
I still believe your word means more than some piece of paper and the paper is needed for greedy scamming nubs that you can't trust and thats a fact how you try and dress this it will always be the same.
If you make a deal then break it because of more money or a non genuine reason then you have to look at yourself in the mirror and ask why am i a liar and the cheat just to try and flip a few dollars ( actually you should be embarrassed becuase this hobby will not set you up for retirement
)A lot of guys say oh i lost the card or whatever rubbish to see it move a few days later.I hope i speak for more when i say that we need less scammers and more honarble people that when they say something i can feel they are genuine or where is this hobby going, ( fake patches, shillers, liars, cheats this is starting to become like business then full of scamming greedy little human beings trying to get ahead )
I think i am clear when i say think before you talk or message someone on a deal and don't even open your gums and flap that tongue if you are not sure you want to go through with it , in my book if you say yes to a deal on pm or phone or whatever form the deal was discussed go through with it or like i have stated don't open your mouth and waste peoples time or create animosity through your child like bahaivour of pulling out of deals .
We are a lot of adults here set an example for the younger lot shall we teach them it's ok to to pull out of a deal as long as it's not recorded ????
I've had members here threaten to sue me and take me to court LOL Don't say it wont happen.
I think this thread has run its course. Here on the site we treat any trade deal thread as binding. If members want to give others the run around then it will bite them later on when others wont deal with them.
I think this thread has run its course. Here on the site we treat any trade deal thread as binding. If members want to give others the run around then it will bite them later on when others wont deal with them.
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