Official 2016-17 NBA Season Thread
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No doubt the talent is ridiculous in GSW but I think I lean the way of klay would get more opportunities if he was the lead guy on a team and probably show more all round game much like H Barnes has done this year. Anyone who can outplay two current/previous mvps has to be considered great and hes done it to both guys while with and against, rewind to last years WCF. Have to disagree with you defensively, he always guards the other teams best guy and keeps them in front of him. Agree he gets all the space he needs when playing with Golden State but when you can lob them in from 30 feet on the regular you make space wherever you play
James Harden is another good example of a franchise player biding his time on a team with two potential MVPs to bring himself into the spotlight when he was traded. When he was coming off the bench as a supersub, it was hard to extrapolate that into being a player being in contention for MVP.
Chris Paul has made so many players better, he needs to get to a Conf Finals for sure, but he did take the Hornets further than AD ever has and he's taken the Clips further than anyone else ever has. This year hopefully will be the year he gets some more credit.
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But what has 10 players got to do with it? I told you the definition of a superstar already.
LeBron, Steph, KD, Kawhi, Russ, Harden, CP3, Dray? Blake Griffin?
It gets debatable at the end. AD is probably top 10 but Cousins isn't, and they are both not superstars.
warriors_man
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You need to understand the differences between star, franchise player, and superstar. Yes James Harden is a franchise player, but IMO he is not yet a superstar. With consistent deep playoff runs and MVP votes in the next few years he has a chance to get there, but it is not a given. Rockets lost in first round in 2012/13 and 2013/14, made conference finals in 2014/15 (Season he got MVP votes) and lost in first round in 2015/16. Superstars are a lot more consistent than this
I think the term "superstar" will never have a true definition on what it actually means and is highly subjective. I absolutely consider Allen Iverson a superstar for example, and he's never made it to the conference finals more than once in his career. It's one of those things which will never be able to be put to rest.
A couple of games I loved watching today.
CHI defeat MIA and D. Wade torching his old team for 28, great to see.
MEM wiped the floor with GS, it shows that if you take it to these guys instead of being intimidated than you can have success. Superstar Klay was 4-14 and sulking on Defense also. GS were whining about every call. I really hope they face MEM with Conley in the Playoffs this year.
CHI defeat MIA and D. Wade torching his old team for 28, great to see.
MEM wiped the floor with GS, it shows that if you take it to these guys instead of being intimidated than you can have success. Superstar Klay was 4-14 and sulking on Defense also. GS were whining about every call. I really hope they face MEM with Conley in the Playoffs this year.
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