Delly v Atlanta Hawks Game 2 and 3, dirty play or hustle?

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After today's game 3 between the Cavs and Hawks and the incident with Delly and Horford, the commentary was split between Delly making a dirty play and Delly showing hustle to win back the ball.

Especially in light of the injury to Korver, if it was just a one of Delly diving into someone's legs you'd not even think twice but the fact that two similar incidents have happened twice in two games show that hes playing dirty and risking injury to the other players involved to gain or retain possession.

Firstly to me the Korver incident and the Horford incident were significantly different.

Korver and Delly both dived in after the ball, Delly seemed to be a bit quicker and rolled his body to shield the ball from Korver, no malice intended and as far as I could see it was a play for the ball which he got his hands on first, Korver stepped in with his body as opposed to diving on the ball like Delly did, the contact of which resulted in the injury to Korver's ankle.

The second incident today with Horford was between two players grappling to win the ball, Delly has lost his balance moving to backwards and across a little and as such has lost his feet and fallen back and towards Horford. Again no malice intended on the initial play. We see it all the time where players grapple. Even look at the K Love shoulder dislocation, with Olynyk there was a clear secondary downwards movement whilst hold K Love's arm in a locked position. Now I'm not saying Onlynyk's aim was to pop Love's should out but there is no arguing there was a secondary movement and a deliberate downwards pulling action on his arm and shoulder, in the Horford Delly incident there didn't appear to be any change of motion or any secondary movements.

The resulting ejection in Horford in my book was fully justified as both unnecessary AND excessive with Horford making a deliberate act to come down on top of Delly with an outstretched elbow, the Delly tech on the other hand was a bit confusing.

In both plays Delly never appears to deliberately change course or attempt to make additional unnecessary contact with his opposition player that I could see. (the Taj Gibson leg lock incident v Chicago is a different story)

One thing you see in the AFL tribunal system are factors that are taken into account such as did the player change course, did he leave his feet, where was the player looking before the contact was made etc etc.

To me it looked like a lot of hustle from the small man putting his body on the line to win his team the ball.

Interested in others views.
 
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From what I saw, the refs got it spot on!

Delly was definitely going for the ball in the Korver play, and you SHOULD turn your body like that in order to take the ball. Nothing dirty there at all.

In the Horford play however, he was trying to intentionally shepherd Horford away from the ball and was just blatantly pushing him away. He started the contact which then caused Horford to retaliate and earn a F2.
 
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0T9WNJ8nZcc


From what I see Horford went over the back then pulled him down and Delly tripped on the other Hawks player already on the ground. Then Horford, who was still on his feet at that stage, attempted an elbow drop on him. But different people can see different things in the same photo/video... Was Delly leaning back into him? Probably. But Horford's reaction was well out of proportion to any leaning in Delly done...
 
Nothing dirty in either play, just hustle.

He did nothing wrong vs Korver and Korver's injury is just unfortunate.

Horford caused Delly to fall over Carroll by going over the top and then hanging onto Delly's arm. Not much Delly could do there. It was a thug move on Horford's part to then drop an elbow. He got what he deserved.

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To me Delly is one of those players that isn't spectacular, isn't going to turn up on top 10 plays of the week (unless hes throwing the lob for a Thompson smash) isn't going to set the world on fire, but he's a fighter, he goes after the hard balls, he tags his player hard and constantly hassles, he knows his limitations but works his ass off on the parts of the game where he can make a difference, often that means doing the ugly stuff that doesn't show up on stats sheets.

Love watching him play cause I always get that sense that he plays like he feels he's the underdog and hes got something to prove, as for dirty plays, no, as for doing the dirty work, putting his body on the line, diving on the floor all the stuff that is not glamorous, than its a yes!
 
I think he is playing on the edge, but not dirty. Sometimes those hustle guys just push it a little, even if unintentional.

Lets not forget he is a Collingwood supporter too!
 
He comes across as a bit of a pest to me. Always niggling, acting like a sniper has taken his head off when he runs into a good screen. Similar personality to mick Ennis in the nrl. Plays within the rules and you love him on your team, but all the other teams hate him
 
I mean, I don't think Delly intentionally acts to hurt someone deliberately but I guarantee that he isn't as innocent as he claims. When he hooked his feet on Gibson's legs and later claimed that he was just trying to get up and they got tangled, I knew this guy was not entirely honest. I personally think that he does try to provoke his opponents a bit but does that make him a dirty player? I don't think it does but it depends on who you ask. Is Joakim Noah or Garnett dirty?
 
I mean, I don't think Delly intentionally acts to hurt someone deliberately but I guarantee that he isn't as innocent as he claims. When he hooked his feet on Gibson's legs and later claimed that he was just trying to get up and they got tangled, I knew this guy was not entirely honest. I personally think that he does try to provoke his opponents a bit but does that make him a dirty player? I don't think it does but it depends on who you ask. Is Joakim Noah or Garnett dirty?

I don't really get the "leg lock" BS. He wasn't even looking. How did he even know that Taj's leg was there? Looked like Delly started to let go after a couple of secs but then got kicked up the butt.

And yes, Garnett is about as dirty as they come.

Also to Jelani, Ennis is a grub that also crosses the line with trash talk. Totally different.

To me, Delly just plays hard as text book defense. I'm not surprised he's hated at all. Prima Donna players will hate him. The best thing is that Delly can back it up with a bit of offense as well.

Should get interesting vs GS.
 
I don't really get the "leg lock" BS. He wasn't even looking. How did he even know that Taj's leg was there? Looked like Delly started to let go after a couple of secs but then got kicked up the butt.

View: https://youtu.be/h_GUVRcM4Ck


He didn't have to look, he felt Taj fall down over his back and he could feel his feet as Taj was trying to get up. I don't care for Delly either way, but it was no accident that he locked legs with Taj, IMO. But really, not much point arguing the point because it would be purely speculative either way and only Delly can answer in good conscience that he didn't do it deliberately.
 
View: https://youtu.be/h_GUVRcM4Ck


He didn't have to look, he felt Taj fall down over his back and he could feel his feet as Taj was trying to get up. I don't care for Delly either way, but it was no accident that he locked legs with Taj, IMO. But really, not much point arguing the point because it would be purely speculative either way and only Delly can answer in good conscience that he didn't do it deliberately.

That's some incredible "leg lock" timing by Delly. He looks like he tries to get up asap.

These big tough guys like Taj and horford are just fakes. Hence why they've gotten schooled when they were supposed to be the advantage their team's had over the Cavs. Soft and weak.

Keep it up Delly.

I wonder who he does his wrestling training with??? Crazy.
 
That's some incredible "leg lock" timing by Delly. He looks like he tries to get up asap.

These big tough guys like Taj and horford are just fakes. Hence why they've gotten schooled when they were supposed to be the advantage their team's had over the Cavs. Soft and weak.

Keep it up Delly.

I wonder who he does his wrestling training with??? Crazy.
Watch it from 1:14 in the video. They both fall, Delly's feet are apart as they are on the floor, then his feet suddenly close together as Taj tries to get up. That is a really, really unusual move if you're trying to get up on your feet from a face down position. Try it. If you're face down, your feet being apart would give you more of a wider stable base to push up from. End of the day, we both have differing views on what happened.
 
Watch it from 1:14 in the video. They both fall, Delly's feet are apart as they are on the floor, then his feet suddenly close together as Taj tries to get up. That is a really, really unusual move if you're trying to get up on your feet from a face down position. Try it. If you're face down, your feet being apart would give you more of a wider stable base to push up from. End of the day, we both have differing views on what happened.

It's a split second. Zero chance Delly goes "I'm gonna leg lock him here".

Delly is either the most cunning dirty player in the history of the NBA that sees chances to pull his dirty moves with just
micro seconds of time. Or he's just a hustler that's gotten a bit unlucky with a couple of plays.

The fact that Taj, horford and Korver took the soft options says to me the latter.

Delly does things by the textbook. You can see it every screen and box out.

Why don't you try and get up from the push up position as fast as you can when your legs are spread a bit. If you're trying to get up asap, you close them together like you're doing a burpee. Heaps easier than legs apart.
 
Will have to agree to disagree. The commentators viewed it differently from what you did and conversely, there would be others who agree with yours.
 
Will have to agree to disagree. The commentators viewed it differently from what you did and conversely, there would be others who agree with yours.

American commentators. Some of them have never played anything.

Antonio Davis summed it up well when he said Delly was reckless. The NBA doesn't want guys diving all over loose balls like the Rodman days. They want finesse and highlights. I'm amazed the league lets guys jump all over the ball for a jump ball when there's loads of contact. Dwight took a swinging arm to bogut today. Why is there no backlash? It's because Delly is on the Cavs and he's a "nobody" to them.

During the game Delly copped a fist to the face from Teague, no call, an illegal screen which was called because it flung him out of bounds. These are just as dirty as that "brutal" leg lock that caused no harm at all.

There was a foul called on Delly late in the game where there was literally air between him and Teague.

I don't think anybody could tell me the refs favour the Cavs. 50% (at least) of the country HATE them and the rest love them. It makes for great entertainment. The finals will be the most watched all time. Guaranteed.

Don't get me wrong, I understand what you and other's are saying and thinking. But I just don't believe Delly is pulling leg locks and diving at knees.
 
The Korver injury was just bad luck and EVERY coach would love a player that is willing to dive on a loose ball.

The Horford and Gibson incidents were both caused by soft big guys who tried to shove/hold a smaller player. They both then retaliated in an over the top way.
 
If Korver had've assumed the same stance as he did on the Lebron breakaway dunk earlier in the series, he may have been out there for the sweep. If Korver dived to the floor too, the worst that likely happens is a clash of heads. People keep talking about how "the game's gone soft, it was so much tougher when ____ was playing", then they get their nose out of joint when someone not on their team plays scrappy...
 
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