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Wonder how they would have gone without pop runnin the show?
Anyone can win titles with a Lebron or mj ask spoelstra or Jackson
When it comes to judging best ever coaches imagine if pop had a Jordan,lebron or a Kobe to coach how many rings would this bloke have?
Duncan and Parker are great players but there not on the Jordan or lebron level but there in the playoffs every year in the hardest conference and always with a chance of winning it all and that all comes down to how great a coach pop is
best coach ever IMO
Anyone can win titles with a Lebron or mj ask spoelstra or Jackson
When it comes to judging best ever coaches imagine if pop had a Jordan,lebron or a Kobe to coach how many rings would this bloke have?
Duncan and Parker are great players but there not on the Jordan or lebron level but there in the playoffs every year in the hardest conference and always with a chance of winning it all and that all comes down to how great a coach pop is
best coach ever IMO
Great vid, amazing team.
I think the best thing is, a lot of people used to hate the Spurs, but now they've come to appreciate them. Add to that they don't play such a defensive style as they used to.
But damn they move the ball well. It's not just a bunch of guys passing a lot, these are International level players that are highly skilled.
I think the best thing is, a lot of people used to hate the Spurs, but now they've come to appreciate them. Add to that they don't play such a defensive style as they used to.
But damn they move the ball well. It's not just a bunch of guys passing a lot, these are International level players that are highly skilled.
The spurs won the rings with David Robinson and timmy in the first year ( two hall of famers) and with timmy and Parker and Manu in their primes, Parker will end up in the hall and even an outside chance for Manu, these guys in their prime where no chumps so giving pop a lot of the credit is wrong, my only thing against them is they won their rings in what I like to call the watered down nba, timmy should have dominated like he did because other than shaq, I mean think about it, who where the stars??? Jordan got his rings against Isaiah Thomas, Dumars, Barkley, magic, bird, Robinson, the dream, Ewing, Malone and Stockton, Reggie miller, shaq, penny, kemp and Payton, drexler, hell winning any championship when the original dream team was around is amazing let alone a 3peat, Phil had won how many rings? Saying anyone can win with Jordan and Lebron is wrong, doug Collins didn't win with Jordan and co, Phil did, with shaq del Harris didn't, kurt Rambis didn't, Jackson did, I do belive what you said about Lebron tho, their coach has not really proved anything yet, I mean with Lebron, wade and bosh joining up would be like magic and bird joining Jordan in Chicago, a 5 year old could have been the coach and they would have won as much as Lebron and co lol
Great Post!!
Except for the fact I couldn't des agree with you more!!
You are completely downplaying Pop as a coach. It is not just his in game/training coaching but they "system" he and the other execs/coaches have created in SA. It is successful because Pop treats Duncan the same as Aron Baynes, it's successful because any player can fit in and know their role. It's successful because it was able to utilize some amazing players that put the team ahead of their own egos!
The whole point of that video is to try and allow people to appreciate the fact that you can't win a ring without a 'team' and not just a single superstar. Your list of names includes people whose careers were done when Jordan won his rings, as well as players that didn't have the supporting cast needed to win a championship.
Miami wouldn't have won without players like Miller and Battier having big moments when they were needed and having people like Chalmers and Haslem willing to go virtually untalked about all season while the 'big 3' take all the credit!
And that doesn't even touch on 2 of the biggest things you said that I disagree with - 99,03,05,07 were watered down years?? Give me a break! Go watch teams like Phoenix and LA in most of those years again!
Also, if you think Manu is just an "outside chance" at the HOF, you are dreaming! He is a LOCK! It is the 'Basketball HOF' not just 'NBA HOF' an he has an amazing international resume!
Yeah I'm with you Adam.
Parker was I think the 28th pick in the first round. Manu was like 47th. Pop nurtured these guys in to the amazing players they are/were in their prime.
The Spurs did have some average competition in the Finals those years (Cavs and Nets mainly) but the West was still loaded and they had to get through some very tough teams to get to the Finals.
The 00's Pistons IMO were a better team than the Isaiah lead Pistons. At the very least as good as them.
So the Lakers teams that 3 peated weren't great because they won in a watered down NBA?
Go back and check Garnett's MVP season, Barkley would have a tough time competing with that.
Blazers, Phoenix and Sacramento were tough as hell.
The Spurs had to play the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe almost every year. Any time you beat those guys it's deserved.
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name one good centre who was in the same league as the dream, Ewing, Robinson when shaq got his 3? Without looking it up, hard huh lol, pop is a great coach but think people should not talk down Jacksons championships because of who he had, he had the huge egos of Jordan, pippen, rodman, kukoc, harper, harper was a 20ppg player before coming to the bulls, I respect any coach who wins a ring, also any player, even started enjoying lebrons game when he took over game 7 last year with those Cluch 3's, don't agree with the way he left the cavs, I love the nba, all the teams, but I have to be honest and am hoping someone beats the heat this year, and think all the teams left have a chance but all would have to play the series of their careers
Yes it is and I love what the spurs do and their system, but other people should not put down another team at their expense, hope the spurs make it back to the finals and win it all this time, could not pick a better finish for timmy, a ring the first year and the last year, would be a very rare feat
Timmy didn't win in his rookie year, it was his second year.
Your original post was taking away from what Pop and the Spurs have done, whether you meant to or not, but no differently to the comments about winning with Jordan or Lebron.
A lot of people have a 'romanticized' memory of the game when Jordan played because the game was at its absolute peak at that point. You didn't have to be a basketball fan to hear about what Michael did in the playoffs. This sort of exposure is what changed in the 00s, not the quality of the players/competition.
Add to the changes like hand checking and zone defenses or defensive 3 second rules, the players themselves had to evolve with the game. The 90s didn't have players like Russell Westbrook or Damian Lillard that played PG but can fly like Mike, yet they were amazing in different ways!
I'm a bulls fan not putting no team down I'm talking about coaches here
Take Jordan of the bulls, Kobe of lakers how many titles does Jackson have 0
Being a bulls fan I credit Jordan and pippen and the rest of the players in those years not Jackson
When Jordan retired in 94 after there first 3 why did it take for him to come back to win the other 3 Jackson didn't retire
My point from the start was pop didn't have the class players as some other coaches did and has had just as much success as they have which makes you respect how good of a job he has done for that organization
is it a coincidence that he is the longest serving coach currently in the nba?
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take Tim Duncan off the spurs and how many rings would they have? I'd say 0 too, I never said he was a bad coach, I mean if we want to be silly with the if that team didn't have such and such they would not have won, well if LA didn't have magic they never would have won, if Boston didn't have bird they would not have won, see my point? Abit silly, and saying the spurs never have "the class of players" that other coaches had, timmy, Parker and Manu in their prime, yeah they was crap huh lol, only 3 HOF lol
If Jordan and pippen had the rules that are around today with the no touching at all or it's a foul then Jordan would have averaged 50 a game and pippen 35 lol, can you imagine Westbrook and Lillard going to the hoop against the Knicks or pistons back in the day they would have been killed, different times, one player I love watching is Durant, with his hight and how he handles the ball for a player his size is freaky, needs a huge game in game free or the spurs might sweep
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