Russell Packer
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Their circumstances were different (I believe). They committed their crimes in another country, served their sentence in that country and then came to Australia. Had they committed those crimes in Australia and been convicted I would say yes, deport them.
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That's correct, involved in a nz gang fight and got done for assault at 19, spent 18 months to 2 years in jail over there.
Has been in our system since mid 2013 debuting last year and is 26 or 27. Had to fight real hard to get him over here with immigration apparently
Has been in our system since mid 2013 debuting last year and is 26 or 27. Had to fight real hard to get him over here with immigration apparently
They are Australian citizens I believe so the deportation laws don't apply.
In saying that I think the NRL sanctions on players convicted of a serious offense are weak. If I was convicted of sexual assault like Blake Ferguson I would have lost my job and ability to work in that industry ever again
He should and will be deported... Any crime that puts you in an australian jail for a term of one year or more will have you deported if you are not an Australian citizen under the new laws.... Being a professional footballer should not make it any different for him... Do feel sorry for the bloke as he will not even be able to play for the Warriors as he couldn't play any away games...
I was born in NZ and I've been in australia since I was a child (5yrs) I disagree with the deportation laws - to a degree. Firstly, people who have been in australia since they were children, are a product of this country as an adult. Adults who moved here, are a different category altogether.
Secondly, kiwis are the last culture I'd be worried about deporting from this country.
Secondly, kiwis are the last culture I'd be worried about deporting from this country.
I'm not a big fan of Australia foreign policies, but;
If people who have moved over to Australia as infants, grown up and naturalised as Aussies, worked, paid tax, brought up families etc are deported to a place they have no roots/family for their crimes, then a bloke that left NZ as a man and committed a violent attack on a person isn't deported because he is a sports star then there is something very wrong.
From what I believe, the Warriors kept his many misdemeanours here under wraps and he would have to prove he has totally reformed if he wants to play league in NZ again. Getting rid of him and Locke was the smartest thing the club has ever done, as amazing as he could be if he gets his shit together.
If people who have moved over to Australia as infants, grown up and naturalised as Aussies, worked, paid tax, brought up families etc are deported to a place they have no roots/family for their crimes, then a bloke that left NZ as a man and committed a violent attack on a person isn't deported because he is a sports star then there is something very wrong.
From what I believe, the Warriors kept his many misdemeanours here under wraps and he would have to prove he has totally reformed if he wants to play league in NZ again. Getting rid of him and Locke was the smartest thing the club has ever done, as amazing as he could be if he gets his shit together.
unsure where I stand here...
the law is the law... yes, but only because of recent changes to that law.
under the previous law standard, he has done his time, and theoretically able to join society as a full member, until he again loses that priviledge by breaking the law. Therefore, I can see an argument for him being allowed to stay, until he breaks the law and he is dealt with under the current standard.
Violence, however, cannot be condoned, so I can see why people would want to see the current law utilised to it's full extent.
...but it's like changing a rule in a game and then retroactively applying that rule change to all previous games.
I think overall, I am leaning to allow him to stay, until he loses that priviledge, as under the prior argument, and then deal with him appropriately, under the current law standard/structure.
the law is the law... yes, but only because of recent changes to that law.
under the previous law standard, he has done his time, and theoretically able to join society as a full member, until he again loses that priviledge by breaking the law. Therefore, I can see an argument for him being allowed to stay, until he breaks the law and he is dealt with under the current standard.
Violence, however, cannot be condoned, so I can see why people would want to see the current law utilised to it's full extent.
...but it's like changing a rule in a game and then retroactively applying that rule change to all previous games.
I think overall, I am leaning to allow him to stay, until he loses that priviledge, as under the prior argument, and then deal with him appropriately, under the current law standard/structure.
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May be since nz is a commwealth country and laws don't differ too much from our own we should be more understanding and lets face it any nzer who is any good we claim ! didn't andrian lamb who is from new guinea (I think) play for queensland ? we don't deport people back to tasmainia lol
I am torn on this. I know the guy quite well so would love to see him given another chance in the NRL. However, if this was a foreigner here in NZ that committed the crime he did (sports star or not), I would also want them deported from the Country no matter where they may originally be from.
I know the Packer reasonably well (my little sister is very good friends with his partner) and have met him numerous times and can say as far as I am aware he has never had any issues with the law before this.
I know the Packer reasonably well (my little sister is very good friends with his partner) and have met him numerous times and can say as far as I am aware he has never had any issues with the law before this.
I was meaning misdemeanors at a club level. From what I understand the Warriors had a written account of these and there was an incident at the end of his time with the club that was the final straw. It wasn't a legal matter although it could conceivably have been.
I teach in the community that Rusty hails from and his extended family live in, they are rough but honest people in my experience.
My hope is that he returns to the Warriors one day as a better man, because if he does he will be a hell of a player
