Need some opinions

ozballer23 · Apr 12, 2013

Was considering putting a bid on this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/0405-Fleer-...117&pid=100034&prg=1079&rk=3&sd=130784083213&

The card has no numbering, no COA etc... Are these released as dual gu with patches? Or should I be suss?

GoldenBoy23 · Apr 12, 2013

Isnt he a member here? The one who collects melo? He could answer that for sure. Fleer bankcuptcy would be my guess. A lot 0405 set had fake logomans and numberings on it

A1CardsandGaming · Apr 12, 2013

Great looking card Norm but I am not sure the left hand side of the Wade logo looks completely straight or if the edge on the 4th picture looks right. Sort of looks like it has been split if you know what I mean. I am by no means an expert but it seems a little iffy

anakinleo · Apr 12, 2013

What a beautifully customised card !!!!!!!.

I'll send him some of my cheapies so that they can multiply in value.

karlsta26 · Apr 12, 2013

GoldenBoy23 said:
Isnt he a member here? The one who collects melo? He could answer that for sure. Fleer bankcuptcy would be my guess. A lot 0405 set had fake logomans and numberings on it

Would be my guess as well.

WoobieZarz · Apr 12, 2013

Yeah Norm, it's a gamble (IMO) not worth taking.

I have serious doubts it's legit. No numbering has the alarm bells ringing, and also, I think if it were a true 1/1, it'd have the obligatory Fleer 1/1 purple foiling around it.

Save your coins mate.

BruzDB · Apr 12, 2013

I doubt it is even a Fleer auction card. Probably just one of these customised, or maybe 2 stuck together.

Definitely fake though.

Here's the gu version - http://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-05-Sky...63528045?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item232620a16d

Rodman91 · Apr 12, 2013

That looks fake as

muzikandme · Apr 12, 2013

i think this was discussede already on the real/fake thread

ozballer23 · Apr 12, 2013

Wasn't aware of that Matt, cheers.

But pretty poor form by a member here if that is the case.

Essellohbeebeewhy · Apr 12, 2013

wouldnt go shooting at the member yet without knowing any back story. if he got it thinking it was real then found out it was fake and now is trying to get rid of it so be it. why should be stuck with a fake card and take the hit?

hairyangryfella · Apr 12, 2013

C'mon man, the clearest indication that this is a pile of crap is the white outlines around the logomans - from cheap replica jerseys.

Mully · Apr 15, 2013

These areas look dodgy to me !

WoobieZarz · Apr 15, 2013

slobbythegreat said:
wouldnt go shooting at the member yet without knowing any back story. if he got it thinking it was real then found out it was fake and now is trying to get rid of it so be it. why should be stuck with a fake card and take the hit?

If they know it to be fake, they should destroy it. Selling it on as a legit card is just wrong. You're misleading someone else, and having them believe it to be real. Only for them to find out, and the seller's name will be mud.

Giving it away could also lead to someone else selling it.

Cobretti · Apr 15, 2013

During that period for fleer logomans were 1/1s

The white around those logomans is also common for that period on white jerseys (seen it in other fleer cards), so the patches may be real.

My guess is this is either a spare from the fleer bankrupcy or a fake someone made from patches bought at the fleer bankrucy.

ozballer23 · Apr 15, 2013

slobbythegreat said:
wouldnt go shooting at the member yet without knowing any back story. if he got it thinking it was real then found out it was fake and now is trying to get rid of it so be it. why should be stuck with a fake card and take the hit?

so because you got screwed (meaning the seller) it makes it ok to screw someone else? so it's ok to sell a fake card? don't you think he should say what it really is in the auction if he knows?

Essellohbeebeewhy · Apr 15, 2013

ozballer23 said:
so because you got screwed (meaning the seller) it makes it ok to screw someone else? so it's ok to sell a fake card? don't you think he should say what it really is in the auction if he knows?

Who's to say he was screwed. You aren't sure if it's fake. And I won't be listening to hairyangryfella because he thinks it's fake cos its white. Cobretti already said it was common and he is the fleer king. No one knows it's 100% fake. He should list it as bankruptcy that I agree but we are all just speculating with authenticity

Matt26 · Apr 15, 2013

The white around the logo mans shows they are from low quality replica jerseys. Love to hear what nvd001 has to say about this card.

Cobretti · Apr 15, 2013

Here is a real one that has white around the edge, which was part of the jersey.

The fake ones had a thick white boarder, like the shaq attached.

Here is a list of the "official auction listings"

http://www.auctionflex.com/showlots...amp;lso=timeleftasc&pagenum=1&lang=En

Remember a lot of stuff was sold before the auction via back door.

The only was we will know if the card is a fleer (unofficial release) is if we can find a legitimate 1/1 from this set to see what they had for their patch.

Personally I don't buy fleer bankrupcy stuff unless its cheap and I want to have it in my PC for pure fleer value of it.

Cobretti · Apr 15, 2013

If in doubt, get the product info lol:

2004/05 Fleer Skybox Fresh Ink Basketball Hobby Box

Each box will contain one memorabila card numbered to 199 or less and one autograph card. Also look for rookie cards numbered to 499 or less. Key rookies include: Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Al Jefferson, Devin Harris, Emeka Okafor, Kevin Martin, Josh Smith and many more
18 packs per box, 5 cards per pack
PLEASE NOTE:
On Friday 5/13/05 Fleer closed down due to severe financial problems. While most Fleer products don't contain a lot of redemption cards, it is unlikely that any you pull will be redeemable. Buy with caution.
Product Highlights:
- At least one autographed card and one game-used memorabilia card in each box
- All autographed will be signed on patch-like material and will not be numbered higher than 200
- Autographed Masterpiece cards will feature the NBA Logo Man from the actual jersey
- Five-on-Five game worn cards will feature either jersey or patch swatches for all 10 players represented on the cards
- Game-worn Jersey Cards will be numbered no higher than 149, including dual and 10-swatch cards!
- Game-worn Patch Cards will be numbered no higher than 60, including multiple swatch cards!
- Over 200 Masterpiece cards numbered 1 of 1
- 30 of the best rookies will be numbered to 499. Average of one per box!
Every box will contain:
- One Autographed card, signed on patch material and numbered to 200 or less
- One Game-worn Memorabilia card numbered to 149 or less
- One Rookie card numbered to 499 or less
Every case will contain:
- 12 Autographs including four that are numbered to 49 or special Dual Autograph cards
- At least 12 Game-worn Memorabilia cards numbered to 149 or lower. Six of the Game-worn cards will be at least Double Swatches, including at least one Five-on-Five Swatch card. At least three of the memorabilia cards will be patches.

Regular Set
- 90 Basic Cards
- 30 Rookies numbered to 499 (1 per box)
Autographed Cards
- 40 "Fresh Ink Twill" serially numbered
- 40 "Fresh Ink Single" color serially numbered to 49
- 20 "Fresh Ink Dual Player" serially numbered to 25
- 40 "Fresh Ink Dual Color" serially numbered to 15
- 40 "Fresh Ink NBA Logo" 1 of 1
- 50 "Buy Back" serially numbered
Memorabilia Cards
- 25 "Property Of (die cut jersey) Serially numbered to 149
- 25 "Property Of (patch) Serially numbered to 49
- 25 "Property Of (die cut patch) Serially numbered to 10
- 25 "Property Of (NBA Logo) 1 of 1
- 14 "Game Breakers Die Cut Jersey" serially numbered to199
- 14 "Game Breakers Patch" serially numbered to jersey #
- 14 "Game Breakers Die Cut Patch" serially numbered to 10
- 14 "Game Breakers NBA Logo" 1 of 1
- 10 "Teammate Tandems Dual Jersey Die Cut" serially numbered to 199
- 10 "Teammate Tandems Dual Patch" serially numbered to 49
- 10 "Teammate Tandems Dual Patch Die cut" serially numbered to 10
- 10 "Teammate Tandems Dual NBA Logo" 1 of 1
- 10 "Five-on-Five Jersey" serially numbered to 99
- 10 "Five-on-Five Patch" serially numbered to 10

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