My New Card Display Case!!

Birdman said:

Yeah but if thats the case I can reduce the price of the units slightly to make it more affordable for members to buy.

I guess the whole idea is for this unit to be simple yet effective. If I go designing and building it with brackets for removable shelves, its going to be uglier, heavier, and it will take more material to make and twice or three times as long to construct (which would then reflect in the price).

So for ease of build, neat looks, less weight and cheaper price I think it best to follow as the old saying goes......the KISS principle........Keep It Simple Stupid! :v:

The thing you need to remember Taz, is that even if it is flat packed, it is still the same length and width as the unit, just not as deep. And it will weight more with removable shelves, and alot of transport companies base their prices on weight, not size. To be honest if it was flat packed the depth of the box it would be transported in would only be 50-60mm shallower than if it were sent as is now.

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I'm confused. A flat-pack system would be smaller in dimensions. Not knowing the exacts, but from what I can see, there's 6 sides + shelving. Stacked on top what would that be? My guess (I'm no good with this sorta stuff), would be it'd be around 70mm thick?

Your max piece would is 700x500mm, the weight would be the same, granted you'd have a few brackets in it, so slightly more (but not TOO much more).

If companies use weight over dimensions then yeah, could be a problem.

You mentioned twice to three times as long to construct, which would reflect the cost, wouldnt it reflect the costs in a positive way? You wouldnt be required to construct the cabinet, only cut the pieces, supply materials, and pack/ship out which would cut costs.

Flat-packing also reduces chance of breakage.

Try not to get upset I'm just trying to give a few suggestions.

$400 for a 700x500mm cabinet sounds reasonably hefty IMO.

For a 175cm H, 40 W, 34 D glass cabinet, IKEA have a cabinet (glass) for $189 + freight, which wouldnt amount to $100 postage.
EDITED: IKEA Don't offer delivery service, but the www says to contact local stores?

Sure it doesnt have the pre-cut shelving (which is a cool idea), but it's competitive, and IMO I would go with that one.

Taz_Cardz said:

I'm confused. A flat-pack system would be smaller in dimensions. Not knowing the exacts, but from what I can see, there's 6 sides + shelving. Stacked on top what would that be? My guess (I'm no good with this sorta stuff), would be it'd be around 70mm thick?

Your max piece would is 700x500mm, the weight would be the same, granted you'd have a few brackets in it, so slightly more (but not TOO much more).

If companies use weight over dimensions then yeah, could be a problem.

You mentioned twice to three times as long to construct, which would reflect the cost, wouldnt it reflect the costs in a positive way? You wouldnt be required to construct the cabinet, only cut the pieces, supply materials, and pack/ship out which would cut costs.

Flat-packing also reduces chance of breakage.

Try not to get upset I'm just trying to give a few suggestions.

$400 for a 700x500mm cabinet sounds reasonably hefty IMO.

For a 175cm H, 40 W, 34 D glass cabinet, IKEA have a cabinet (glass) for $189 + freight, which wouldnt amount to $100 postage.
EDITED: IKEA Don't offer delivery service, but the www says to contact local stores?

Sure it doesnt have the pre-cut shelving (which is a cool idea), but it's competitive, and IMO I would go with that one.

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Ok Taz - don't take this the wrong way as I am not getting upset, but I will try and spell it out for you so that you better understand why what you are saying can't be done. I will start from the top...

A flat-pack system would be smaller in dimensions. Not knowing the exacts, but from what I can see, there's 6 sides + shelving. Stacked on top what would that be? My guess (I'm no good with this sorta stuff), would be it'd be around 70mm thick?

Thats where you are wrong unfortunately. Sure, I COULD cut all the pieces and lay them all flat, supply members with glue and hope to god they can glue it all together without making a mess of it all. In theory yes that could be done. I hear what you are saying, you are trying to suggest ideas to make it cheaper and easier for both members and myself, but you have to remember mate, we are not talking timber here, and we are not talking screws or nails, we are talking acrylic, with acrylic cement to bond it all together correctly and safely. I have worked with acrylic for over 5 years now, and I am still no pro at it (compared to others in the industry that I know).

I don't expect you to understand the ins and outs of it, but what you need to realise is that it is an EXACT technique and method that is used to glue these pieces together, with the correct tools and equipment that the average person does not own. All the pieces are clear to start with, then once glued together, and ONLY then, can they be cleaned, finished professionally on all edges and then painted LAST. I just can't begin to tell you how bad the unit would look if I cut all the pieces, painted and flat packed them all in the hope that members out there with no acrylic experience or necessary tools could put it all together correctly, cleanly and safely (the glue is quite harsh on anything it comes into contact with other than acrylic - whats more, acrylic glue will eat away at any paint it comes into contact with when it is wet).

You mentioned twice to three times as long to construct, which would reflect the cost, wouldnt it reflect the costs in a positive way? You wouldnt be required to construct the cabinet, only cut the pieces, supply materials, and pack/ship out which would cut costs.

No it would not reflect the costs in a positive way, as the cutting, finishing, cleaning, and manipulation of the acrylic is what is time consuming, the glueing of it all together is the quickest part.

Flat-packing also reduces chance of breakage.

Yes it does, thats true. But there is no substitute for good packaging techniques, even when a unit like this is sent out fully constructed. I am so confident in my ability to safely package a unit like this that I would be willing to guarantee the unit will not break in transit. If it ever happened I would make a new unit for the member free.

$400 for a 700x500mm cabinet sounds reasonably hefty IMO.

Mate, I haven't even sat down and figured out prices yet. If you like I can show you a list of how long it takes to do each step and what materials are used, then you might understand how quickly the costs amount.

Without being personal or offensive, if you don't want one don't order one (when it comes time that I make them!)

The fact that you went to the trouble to go and search on the IKEA website suggests that you think I am trying to rip people off. All I am doing is trying to provide members of this forum with a quality, and unique product like I have made for myself. All I am doing is covering costs of some materials and some labour (not all mind you).

When I saw the IKEA unit you linked to, I was LMAO, as it is NOTHING like the unit I have made in any respect. Its like comparing apples with oranges. It is a stell frame, welded together and then powdercoated, with glass shelves in it.

Sure it doesnt have the pre-cut shelving (which is a cool idea), but it's competitive, and IMO I would go with that one

Go buy it then champ, then when you see the pics of sexy acrylic card display units in other members houses and offices give me a holler!

Hope that makes sense and answers alot of your queries! :v:

Oh, and just to let you know - I looked into shipping a unit with Startack Express today, and the most shipping will cost is around $15 - $20.

Taz, I completely agree with Birdman. If you think that the IKEA shelf is such a great product at a competitive price, please do buy it by all means. I mean, why bother bringing that up? Are you trying to convince Birdman to reduce the price? He's the one who spent hours and hours of his time building the prototype, and he's given an indicative price, I think that's good enough without having to give you a lecture on Acrylic Manipulation 101. He's done his research and has factored in the time, at the end of the day, if they don't sell because they are too expensive, that's a business decision that he has to make, enough said.

exzibit3 said:

Taz, I completely agree with Birdman. If you think that the IKEA shelf is such a great product at a competitive price, please do buy it by all means. I mean, why bother bringing that up? Are you trying to convince Birdman to reduce the price? He's the one who spent hours and hours of his time building the prototype, and he's given an indicative price, I think that's good enough without having to give you a lecture on Acrylic Manipulation 101. He's done his research and has factored in the time, at the end of the day, if they don't sell because they are too expensive, that's a business decision that he has to make, enough said.

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has any one ever brought IKEA? a midget could fart and blow the whole thing down!! u dont even have to look hard at Josh's masterpiece to see its quality and sturdy. $400 to me is quite reasonable...considering i paid $350 for this steve waugh frame...we have these awesome cards we pay hundreds for so we all would pay for quality materials..

Fark me, I was just giving a few bloody suggestions. If you're going to get upset with a few suggestions, what's going to happen if/when **** hits the fan with a sale, and you have a pissed off customer on your hands?

The reason I brought up IKEA was it was a quick example of what's out there on the market. There are much better/worse examples around too, but as I said it was the quickest I could find.

I'll leave it at that, and I'll stay away from your thread. Sorry for causing any grief, I never thought constructive critisism hurt before.

nice waugh slobby, is that a tony grieg special they sell during the cricket. My old man has picked up a few of their things, got a nice shane warne one.

i wonder what crazy clarks has in the way of display cases

some valid points made with valid answers, i think id need someone other than a boozer pc to go into ikea even

Taz_Cardz said:

Fark me, I was just giving a few bloody suggestions. If you're going to get upset with a few suggestions, what's going to happen if/when **** hits the fan with a sale, and you have a pissed off customer on your hands?

The reason I brought up IKEA was it was a quick example of what's out there on the market. There are much better/worse examples around too, but as I said it was the quickest I could find.

I'll leave it at that, and I'll stay away from your thread. Sorry for causing any grief, I never thought constructive critisism hurt before.

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Mate, I didn't want to upset you nor start a bickering war in this thread (or any other thread for that matter). All I was doing was giving as valid answers as I could to the points you had made. Like I said, I am confident in the work I do and the quality of things I can produce. Everything I ever build I treat as if it were my own, and I would never send something out that I thought was below standard. Touch wood I don't think I would ever have a 'pissed off customer'. This is not a business move anyway, more of a hobby on the side.

I understand that the IKEA example was probably the first thing you could think of/find, but like I said apples with oranges mate.

No need to stay away from this thread, but maybe think of how others will react to things said. Not that you said anything directly offensive, but I found it a bit rude that you were having a go at a $400 price tag when you knew next to nothing of the process that was involved in making a unit.

Constructive criticism doesn't hurt me, I'm a Graphic Designer by degree, so I deal with criticism every day of my working life.

Birdman said:

Mate, I didn't want to upset you nor start a bickering war in this thread (or any other thread for that matter). All I was doing was giving as valid answers as I could to the points you had made. Like I said, I am confident in the work I do and the quality of things I can produce. Everything I ever build I treat as if it were my own, and I would never send something out that I thought was below standard. Touch wood I don't think I would ever have a 'pissed off customer'. This is not a business move anyway, more of a hobby on the side.

I understand that the IKEA example was probably the first thing you could think of/find, but like I said apples with oranges mate.

No need to stay away from this thread, but maybe think of how others will react to things said. Not that you said anything directly offensive, but I found it a bit rude that you were having a go at a $400 price tag when you knew next to nothing of the process that was involved in making a unit.

Constructive criticism doesn't hurt me, I'm a Graphic Designer by degree, so I deal with criticism every day of my working life.

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Noted.

I hope all goes well for you with the reproduction and distribution of this design.

smc2910 said:

nice waugh slobby, is that a tony grieg special they sell during the cricket. My old man has picked up a few of their things, got a nice shane warne one.

i wonder what crazy clarks has in the way of display cases

some valid points made with valid answers, i think id need someone other than a boozer pc to go into ikea even

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hahaha nah mate not a tony greig special. nsw played a pura cup here in newcastle and it was his last match and they were selling the print, he came out after the game and was signing stuff so i pushed in the line (a gap formed cos stew macgill was chatting as he signed so i snuck in..got abused by a lady with a pram saying that i was ruining for all the little kiddies, she jumped out of line to come and tell me then lost her spot hahahaha!)

It's so great. But why not leave a row for graded cards (probably a little bit higher than one touch holder)?

i have been searching for something exactly like this for ages. Awesome work Im definately interested in one.

i wanna buy one

Did you ever make any of these, very slick design..

did you start making these..for sale.....

Now thats a porno looking unit.
Im with these guys above, did you end up making them?

The only thing i dislike (maybe not the word im looking for) is the rails being clear they stand out too much to me. As a suggestion maybe a black acrylic for the rails would make it tie in a little neater

did anyone buy one?

Gee Slobby got ripped off on his framing of that Steve Waugh piece!

Very nice mate

I wish I had one

Think he only made one of them and I’ve got it.

i like it mate. very nice