John Sattlers Grand Final Jersey on ebay and the newspaper

Now lets see what the differences are between the real jersey and the one up for auction on eBay.





1. The arch of the Rabbitohs logo sits on top of the change in colour banding. The one up for auction has the rabbitohs logo too far down into the next colour band. The only thing here could be that this logo came off and was stuck back on.

2. The top of his Shoulders is a different colour banding than the one up for auction. In the photo the shoulders look to be the red banding however in the auction it appears they are green.

3. The ears on the Rabbitohs logo look different. In the photo they are going out at a more V shape than the ones in the auction.

4. The Hands of the Logo also appear to be different than in the game photos.

There are 4 differences I can spot with the jersey. I would not buy this based on the points shown above.

Cheers
Matt

freeballs said:

Was it always the full Rabboths emblem on the jerseys back in 1970 just out of interest, I remember reading somewhere that they used half a Bunny logo somewhere on their jerseys for some reason. It has 2 bids now, someone is trying to outbid Russell!

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The logo was a full Rabbit, the one on Sattler's jersey was ripped in the game. The Rabbitohs used a half Rabbit as a tribute on their heritage jersey in 08.

Given Scott Sattler has called in the cops im surprised this one is still listed on eBay. They have withdrawn items for less. At a minimum its misrepresentation.

eBay is thinking of the fee's t will get from the sale...

ooneil said:

Given Scott Sattler has called in the cops im surprised this one is still listed on eBay. They have withdrawn items for less. At a minimum its misrepresentation.

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AyiosYiorgos said:

eBay is thinking of the fee's t will get from the sale...

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EXACTLY! Grab those fees and let the cops deal with it after

Matt26 said:

Now lets see what the differences are between the real jersey and the one up for auction on eBay.

1. The arch of the Rabbitohs logo sits on top of the change in colour banding. The one up for auction has the rabbitohs logo too far down into the next colour band. The only thing here could be that this logo came off and was stuck back on.

2. The top of his Shoulders is a different colour banding than the one up for auction. In the photo the shoulders look to be the red banding however in the auction it appears they are green.

3. The ears on the Rabbitohs logo look different. In the photo they are going out at a more V shape than the ones in the auction.

4. The Hands of the Logo also appear to be different than in the game photos.

There are 4 differences I can spot with the jersey. I would not buy this based on the points shown above.

Cheers
Matt

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The logo is definitely completely different. My speculation is the original one fell off (after all, half of it had already fallen off - not during the grand final, but in a previous game - so it stands to reason the rest had the potential to fall off too) and it was replaced rather haphazardly.

The jersey itself I am convinced is the same, having examined footage from the game, and even footage from before the game which shows Sattler putting the jersey on before the game (this is how I know the Rabbitoh logo was already ripped).

When seen from other angles during the game, it becomes clear that the big green stripe is across the top of Sattler's shoulders, as you would expect from the auction photos.

james could be right, in the b&w photo there is a hint of the green band on the very edge of his left shoulder and this could appear different in the auction photo because in the b&w photo the jersey is being presented in 3d I.e. on a body and the auction is in 2d i.e laid flat. this could also account for slight differences in the paws and ears between the two as pointed out by matt26.but god knows what happened with the bunnies positioning??????

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a bloke like sattler would have to be at least 8-10 inches flat from chest to back so this mean most of the top green stripe in the auction photo would be across the top of his shoulders, as in grand final photo

Yeah but the story does not add up. If it is the genuine jersey from the grand final then its stolen property.

If his story about getting it from the old people who won it at an auction and then getting 2 letters signed by Sattler is true then John Sattler is the complete lair.

The truth is probably that the seller is a complete moron who overpaid for the item getting taken in by some b/s story and is so far in that he has to just stick with the story.

there is no doubt that the seller is a complete moron

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james could be right, in the b&w photo there is a hint of the green band on the very edge of his left shoulder and this could appear different in the auction photo because in the b&w photo the jersey is being presented in 3d I.e. on a body and the auction is in 2d i.e laid flat. this could also account for slight differences in the paws and ears between the two as pointed out by matt26.but god knows what happened with the bunnies positioning??????

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a bloke like sattler would have to be at least 8-10 inches flat from chest to back so this mean most of the top green stripe in the auction photo would be across the top of his shoulders, as in grand final photo

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The bunny is definitely completely different - in the jerseys worn in the game, the Rabbit didn't have the hole for it's eye!

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The logo is definitely completely different. My speculation is the original one fell off (after all, half of it had already fallen off - not during the grand final, but in a previous game - so it stands to reason the rest had the potential to fall off too) and it was replaced rather haphazardly.

The jersey itself I am convinced is the same, having examined footage from the game, and even footage from before the game which shows Sattler putting the jersey on before the game (this is how I know the Rabbitoh logo was already ripped).

When seen from other angles during the game, it becomes clear that the big green stripe is across the top of Sattler's shoulders, as you would expect from the auction photos.

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I think you are right it does look like the jersey

Gone, not on ebay anymore.

Rabbitohs great John Sattler undergoes DNA testing to determine if jersey is his | thetelegraph.com.au

BLOOD immortalised his 1970 grand final jersey - now John Sattler is hoping that same claret will identify it.
The Daily Telegraph can reveal Rabbitohs great Sattler has undergone DNA testing on the Gold Coast to determine if an old jumper being auctioned on eBay for $30,000 is his.

The unique move comes after Fairfield detectives late on Monday night obtained said jersey from the Sydney residence of a man known only as Peter.

Detective Sergeant Mark Stone confirmed the seizure and said police would now conduct a series of forensic tests on the jumper. They have also forwarded photos to Sattler for verification.

Sattler and his son Scott yesterday attended Tweed Heads police station, with the former prop providing a mouth swab that will be sent to Sydney for further analysis.

It's understood there are fears the item being sold online is fake, while the original - stolen from a Sydney memorabilia warehouse back in 2000 - is still hidden away in someone's sock drawer.

A former Sydney first-grader is among the suspects.

Should the auction item prove to be unauthentic, it could end a deception dating back some 35 years to when Redfern Oval gatekeeper Dieter Weyrauch is said to have bought the jersey at auction for $100.

Weyrauch's son Hardy, who now lives in South Australia, says he distinctly remembers the day his late father bought the jersey at Redfern Oval because "100 bucks ... that was a lot of money back then".

Hardy says the jersey hung above the family bar for years.

It's alleged that in 2000 the family sold the jersey for $10,000 to Michael Fahey of Sports Memorabilia Australia - who later resold it to the current owner.

Sydney solicitor Peter Garrett, acting on behalf of the seller, told The Daily Telegraph last night his client confirms this version of events and has letters and statutory declarations signed by Sattler declaring the authenticity.

Sattler denies this.

His family has also provided a photograph that clearly shows Jack Sattler - grandson of the Kangaroos great - holding up the jersey shortly before his father Scott handed it over to a Sydney memorabilia company, Blazed In Glory, for framing.

It hasn't been seen since.

"Jack was three years old when I took that picture back in 2000," Scott Sattler says. "It was shortly after Dad had sent it down from the Gold Coast to be framed."

There is, of course, a possibility that back in 1973, a South Sydney official grabbed a random No. 13 jersey, ripped the Rabbitohs logo in two and offered it as the genuine article.

"There is a chance we were dudded, yes," Hardy concedes. "Which would be a terrible shame because that jersey was such a big part of my life, such an immense source of pride growing up."

Should the eBay jersey be a fake, investigations will shift back to the alleged warehouse robbery of former Blazed In Glory owner Michael Halpin.

Halpin has hired his own private investigator to help track down the jersey.

I cant believe they are still speculating that the one that was on eBay is genuine. This quote seals it for me

"His family has also provided a photograph that clearly shows Jack Sattler - grandson of the Kangaroos great - holding up the jersey shortly before his father Scott handed it over to a Sydney memorabilia company, Blazed In Glory, for framing."

It also seems that either the police or the seller have had that listing removed. How could eBay not pull it given whats been in the newspapers.

Seller shouldve done a quick buy it now

The plot thickens!!! What a swindle, a second jersey and bogus COA to boot backdated to the 70's. I imagine there's a few irate ppl who have been taken for a big ride with this item.

Sattler denies signing jersey letters | thetelegraph.com.au

RABBITOHS great John Sattler has declared that two signed letters - both of which claim he gave away his 1970 grand final jersey - were not penned by him.
The mystery surrounding Sattler's stolen South Sydney jumper last night took its fifth twist in as many days when The Daily Telegraph obtained a pair of documents allegedly signed by the Bunnies legend.

Provided by HWL Ebsworth Lawyers, the letters belong to a mystery Sydneysider who insists the jersey he was auctioning on eBay for $30,000 is the real deal.

According to the documents, the iconic jumper was bought at auction by long-time Souths fans Deiter and Hanna Weyrauch - who Sattler confirms he knew.

The letters add weight to the theory that there are, in fact, two jerseys purported to be the famed 1970 jumper.

The first was in Sattler's possession until stolen in 2000. The second was bought by the Weyrauch family and then, via Sports Memorabilia Australia, sold to the current owner.




There is no suggestion the current owner had any idea the jumper he bought may not have been the bona fide jersey.

The first letter, dated November 18, 1999, states: "The South Sydney jumper ... is the

jumper I was wearing at the 1970 grand final, which Souths won. It has my signature on the collar.

"I donated the jumper to the South Sydney Club in 1973 and it was auctioned at Redfern Oval the same year."

The second letter, more than two years later, claims a report by The Daily Telegraph from December 2001 suggesting the jersey was stolen is false. It states: "That lost jersey was in fact from the 1971 grand final.

"I apologise for any concern this has caused you and I hope this clears up any confusion and settles the authenticity regarding your jersey."

Yet Sattler last night said he had never signed any document relating to the 1970 jersey worn when he famously broke his jaw against Manly.

That top, he maintained, was stolen from Sydney memorabilia company Blazed In Glory in 2000.

"Never signed anything - never, ever," Sattler said last night. "And I'm starting to get a little sick of the whole thing.

"There is no way I would sign anything regarding the 1970 jersey. There was no way I ever got rid of it. I've put my signature on to so many things over the years ... but as for what you're telling me, I wouldn't have a clue."

The Sattlers this week provided a photograph showing Jack Sattler - the Kangaroo great's grandson - holding up the jersey shortly before his father, Scott, handed it over to be framed.

It hasn't been seen since.

Lawyers for the eBay seller, known only as Peter, say their client is refusing to go public, having received a series of online threats since The Daily Telegraph broke the story on Saturday.

"Our client voluntarily produced the jersey to the police to assist their enquiries," they said. They remain adamant the jersey in their client's possession is the one Sattler wore 41 years ago. "The jersey said to be lost or stolen in 2001 was, we understand, worn by John Sattler in the 1971 grand final," they added.

Sports Memorabilia Australia's Michael Fahey, who oversaw the sale of the jersey from the Weyrauchs to the owner, insists it is the 1970 jersey

Wow - isnt this a mess for a few people. Does not look very good for Sports Memorabilia Australia. Apparently the guy paid $10,000 for it from them. I think the inference here is that they may have forged the letters.

Scott Sattler jersey saga finally over | thetelegraph.com.au


FOR 41 years the jersey has lived a lie.

Not a malicious one. Nor a fib for financial gain. Just another one of those little untruths uttered from time to time because, well, everyone is happier because of it.

But now, sadly, the ruse must end.

Finishing up, because after nine days of exhaustive investigation involving detectives, lawyers, old footballers, South Australian sandwich shop owners, ex-wives and private eyes The Daily Telegraph can reveal the 1970 John Sattler premiership jersey offered for $30,000 on eBay is not his stolen one. Nor is it exactly a fake.

But did Sattler wear it that afternoon he famously led the Bunnies to victory with a broken jaw?

Well, no. And it's all because ... wait for it ... Souths officials made two sets of jerseys for the 1970 team.


Yep, two official sets. Two ridgy didge No. 13s. A practice which, according to esteemed rugby league author Ian Heads, was commonplace because "with ground drainage so poor, muddy players often changed into a clean jersey at the break".

But what about two ripped rabbit emblems ... a signature supposed to be unique?

According to Barbara Sattler, ex-wife of the Rabbitohs great, her husband was extremely superstitious, especially after said emblem was torn in the opening game of the 1970 season.

So when the club talked of making a spare set, she clearly remembers him saying there was no way he'd wear anything else. "So they especially made John's second jersey with another ripped rabbit", she said.

Incredible. Yet when asked if there was a chance her husband had worn both jerseys in the grand final, she said: "No. At half-time, because of all the blood, someone suggested he change into the spare but he never did."

And so, finally, we now have an answer.

An explanation for how one 1970 top could sit in Sattler's cupboard for more than four decades - removed occasionally when young son Scott ran around the house "pretending I was Bobby McCarthy" - while another hung in the home of the Redfern Oval gatekeeper Deiter Weyrauch.

Call it the beginning of our little white lie. Born that afternoon in 1973 when Souths officials, struggling to keep the club afloat, cheekily auctioned off the spare as the one Sattler had worn.

Bought by Weyrauch for $100, it was then sold years later following his death - and via Sports Memorabilia Australia boss Michael Fahey - to the anonymous eBay seller known only as Peter.

Which was all fine until Sattler's original finally came out of the closest, so to speak, in 2000; the Kangaroo great sending it off to Blazed In Glory owner Michael Halpin for framing.

It hasn't been seen since.

Now 68, John Sattler remembers little of this incredible tale.

Nor can he recall signing two letters saying the spare jersey was, in fact, the one he wore on grand final day.

However, the Souths great concedes, having considered the mounting evidence and spoken with his ex-wife, the signatures must be his.

"I've spoken with Barbara, who remembers Michael Fahey phoning," he says. "If she says I signed something, I would never say otherwise.

"It's frustrating. I'm embarrassed and have lost a lot of sleep over this. You'd like to think you could remember this sort of thing."

Privately, family and friends of Sattler insist he would've only signed the letters thinking, with the original tucked away, there was no harm in someone enjoying what they believed was a special piece of Souths history.

"Which was exactly the case for us," Deiter Weyrauch's daughter Andrea says. "John Sattler's a wonderful man and if he doesn't remember signing our letter, we believe him."

Mr Fahey, too, was happy the issue was sorted and his company cleared. "John not remembering our correspondence is unfortunate but I accept it," he says. "That's why I never sought a stat dec; John Sattler's word has always been gospel."

Sattler, who has never gained anything financially from the spare jersey, is keen to meet with the eBay seller who, when contacted by this column, asked to remain anonymous. A legal representative said their client, a Sydney businessman, would not seek compensation from Sattler.

The revelation means the focus of this mystery now shifts to Michael Halpin, who was given the real jumper for framing when owner of the now defunct Blazed In Glory memorabilia company.

He has refused all interviews. So has the private eye he's hired. Stay tuned

are they going to make an episode of csi based on this!!!! compelling reading