Is Roy Hibbert over rated??...your thoughts

A1CardsandGaming said:

NBA critics make me laugh. Especially when someone put this into perspective with this comparison

Kwame Brown 2003-04: "Bust"
10.9 - 7.4 - 1.5 - 48.9% FG

Roy Hibbert 2013-14: "All-Star"
11.1 - 6.9 - 1.2 - 45.5% FG

Not an all-star .... Plenty of other better big men in the league

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• They're not a good offensive team, when they were running hot they were still only ranked in the middle of the pack. The ripple effect means less double teams and open shots in the paint. Over their last 21 games (in which they've gone 8-13), they've scored 99 points per 100 possessions which is ranked 29th in league ahead of only the Sixers, or last if you are counting real standard NBA teams.
  
• George Hill is more of a combo guard, he drives to the hoop only 2.7 times per game (the 2nd lowest in starting Point Guards) meaning Hibbert has to rely on post ups more than he'd like instead of the drive and dish
  
• Tyler Hansborough now crashes through the big men in Canada
• Paul George prefers to dribble side-to-side rather than in a straight line, meaning the defense isnt getting penetrated and usually results in an off balance shot from PG24 at the end of the shot clock.
• David West can't bully his way through his opponent anymore, it means Hibbert's man isnt required to step over thus resulting in Hibbert being boxed out on most occasions
• The perimeter guys, especially George and Stephenson, have a habit of randomly standing inside the 3-point line, too close to the paint, when they don’t have the ball. Stephenson loves to lurk along the baseline instead of spotting up in the corners, and he sometimes darts toward the rim at unpredictable times.
• Chemistry: Bynum & Turner haven't worked out, meaning that rotations are a mess as neither have been able to have a preseason under their belt in the Pacers system.
• Hibbert, Scola and Mahimi are slow decision makers, meaning the defense can crowd the paint and afford to not get burned by coming over to play the double team, while West can't jump high enough to play above the defense. The Pacers need to make the extra pass to open the defense up, but can't do so while George & Stephenson are inside that 3 point line, meaning the paint gets crowded or the pass gets picked off.

nichj99 said:

I saw that too, but then an article I read by Bill Simmons on grantland brought me back to reality with the following:

Player A: 21.1 ppg, 6.3 apg, 3.6 rpg, 43.1 FG%, 36.6 3FG%, 20.1 PER
Player B: 21.3 ppg, 6.9 apg, 3.3 rpg, 43.8 FG%, 29.1 3FG%, 21.6 PER

Player A? Kyrie. Player B? Devin Harris in 2009.

Basically, numbers aren't the be all and end all to a players efficiency in professional sport. They don't show things like leadership, help defense and the number of shots he alters per game. Those Kwame Brown stats are based on statistically his best season as a pro, and the other seasons aren't even close to that output opposed to Hibbert who has averaged those numbers for years now and probably peaked (don't forget Hibbert was picked 17th overall, not 1st).

My answer to the Roy Hibbert scenario is that you are only as good as the team mates around you, and frankly - the pacers suck right now. It's easy to kick them when they are down, but here are a few faults they are displaying, which directly or otherwise effect Hibbert:

• They're not a good offensive team, when they were running hot they were still only ranked in the middle of the pack. The ripple effect means less double teams and open shots in the paint. Over their last 21 games (in which they've gone 8-13), they've scored 99 points per 100 possessions which is ranked 29th in league ahead of only the Sixers, or last if you are counting real standard NBA teams.
  
• George Hill is more of a combo guard, he drives to the hoop only 2.7 times per game (the 2nd lowest in starting Point Guards) meaning Hibbert has to rely on post ups more than he'd like instead of the drive and dish
  
• Tyler Hansborough now crashes through the big men in Canada
• Paul George prefers to dribble side-to-side rather than in a straight line, meaning the defense isnt getting penetrated and usually results in an off balance shot from PG24 at the end of the shot clock.
• David West can't bully his way through his opponent anymore, it means Hibbert's man isnt required to step over thus resulting in Hibbert being boxed out on most occasions
• The perimeter guys, especially George and Stephenson, have a habit of randomly standing inside the 3-point line, too close to the paint, when they don’t have the ball. Stephenson loves to lurk along the baseline instead of spotting up in the corners, and he sometimes darts toward the rim at unpredictable times.
• Chemistry: Bynum & Turner haven't worked out, meaning that rotations are a mess as neither have been able to have a preseason under their belt in the Pacers system.
• Hibbert, Scola and Mahimi are slow decision makers, meaning the defense can crowd the paint and afford to not get burned by coming over to play the double team, while West can't jump high enough to play above the defense. The Pacers need to make the extra pass to open the defense up, but can't do so while George & Stephenson are inside that 3 point line, meaning the paint gets crowded or the pass gets picked off.

We know what we are getting with Hibbert, a big man who excels at shot blocking and defense whilst being limited offensively. Unfortunately, defense isnt something seen on the stat sheet. You are right in saying its slim pickings for big men in the league, and this is why Hibbert is an All-Star. If their was a bigger range to pick from, there is no chance of him having that on his resumé.

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WhiteyTheCelticsFan said:

I never really saw what all the hype was in the first place! How can a 12 & 12 guy be better than guys like D-Cuz, Anthony Davis & K-Love that put up 20 & 10 every night!

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nichj99 said:

I saw that too, but then an article I read by Bill Simmons on grantland brought me back to reality with the following:

Player A: 21.1 ppg, 6.3 apg, 3.6 rpg, 43.1 FG%, 36.6 3FG%, 20.1 PER
Player B: 21.3 ppg, 6.9 apg, 3.3 rpg, 43.8 FG%, 29.1 3FG%, 21.6 PER

Player A? Kyrie. Player B? Devin Harris in 2009.

Basically, numbers aren't the be all and end all to a players efficiency in professional sport. They don't show things like leadership, help defense and the number of shots he alters per game. Those Kwame Brown stats are based on statistically his best season as a pro, and the other seasons aren't even close to that output opposed to Hibbert who has averaged those numbers for years now and probably peaked (don't forget Hibbert was picked 17th overall, not 1st).

My answer to the Roy Hibbert scenario is that you are only as good as the team mates around you, and frankly - the pacers suck right now. It's easy to kick them when they are down, but here are a few faults they are displaying, which directly or otherwise effect Hibbert:

• They're not a good offensive team, when they were running hot they were still only ranked in the middle of the pack. The ripple effect means less double teams and open shots in the paint. Over their last 21 games (in which they've gone 8-13), they've scored 99 points per 100 possessions which is ranked 29th in league ahead of only the Sixers, or last if you are counting real standard NBA teams.
  
• George Hill is more of a combo guard, he drives to the hoop only 2.7 times per game (the 2nd lowest in starting Point Guards) meaning Hibbert has to rely on post ups more than he'd like instead of the drive and dish
  
• Tyler Hansborough now crashes through the big men in Canada
• Paul George prefers to dribble side-to-side rather than in a straight line, meaning the defense isnt getting penetrated and usually results in an off balance shot from PG24 at the end of the shot clock.
• David West can't bully his way through his opponent anymore, it means Hibbert's man isnt required to step over thus resulting in Hibbert being boxed out on most occasions
• The perimeter guys, especially George and Stephenson, have a habit of randomly standing inside the 3-point line, too close to the paint, when they don’t have the ball. Stephenson loves to lurk along the baseline instead of spotting up in the corners, and he sometimes darts toward the rim at unpredictable times.
• Chemistry: Bynum & Turner haven't worked out, meaning that rotations are a mess as neither have been able to have a preseason under their belt in the Pacers system.
• Hibbert, Scola and Mahimi are slow decision makers, meaning the defense can crowd the paint and afford to not get burned by coming over to play the double team, while West can't jump high enough to play above the defense. The Pacers need to make the extra pass to open the defense up, but can't do so while George & Stephenson are inside that 3 point line, meaning the paint gets crowded or the pass gets picked off.

We know what we are getting with Hibbert, a big man who excels at shot blocking and defense whilst being limited offensively. Unfortunately, defense isnt something seen on the stat sheet. You are right in saying its slim pickings for big men in the league, and this is why Hibbert is an All-Star. If their was a bigger range to pick from, there is no chance of him having that on his resumé.

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nichj99 said:

Maybe he played poorly because he was seen out in public before the game with Selena Gomez. Exclusive pics below...

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