How the thoughts of leaving negative feedback vanish if you remain calm enough

anakinleo · Nov 8, 2012

Hey Guys

Straight to the point, the card in question is a 1998-99 UD Choice Premium Choice Reserve #185 Michael Jordan FS /100 purchased from la iph's good friend, Alain using la iph's account.

This is the conversations which I had with la iph so far

anakinleo
"Just a price check on this

1998-99 UD Choice Premium Choice Reserve #185 Michael Jordan FS /100

Thanks alex"

la iph
"Hi Alex,

This is the card :

1998-99 UD Choice Premium Choice Reserve #185 Michael Jordan FS /100

sell for $230 (+ $15 shipping recommended)

The card is super mint in a screwdown.

Let me know please, it's really a rare MJ in amazing good condition.

Thanks

tiphaine"

anakinleo
"Hi tiphaine

Would your friend be able to do it for $200 plus shipping? I am really interested in that card. Thanks Alex"

la iph
"Hi Alex,

The best price that's my friend is agree to do it's 220$ (+ $15 shipping recommended).

So if you send 235$ ( USD ) in Paypal GIFT ONLY at this paypal adress larrouy.alain@yahoo.fr
you will be the new proprietaire of this wonderful rare MJ card.

Of course we will post the deal in the forum ( section trade agreement ).

Let me know please,

Best Regards

tiphaine"

anakinleo
"Just checking that the condition if the card is mint. And that there is nothing wrong with the card. If so, Im happy to buy it. Also checking that extra $15 for shipping is for registered shipping. Once you can confirm all this info, you can set up the thread. Thanks"

la iph
"Ok the deal has been post :

http://www.ozcardtrader.com.au/community/threads/anakinleo-and-la-iph-do-a-deal.131738/

The card will be shipped in recommend.

Give me your adress please and if you could confirm that's you have done the aiement.

Thanks at you for the deal i'm sure you will enjoy to have her in your hand.

Best Regards

tiphaine"

anakinleo
"Hi tiphaine

I just agreed to the thread. You haven't really answered one of my questions actually. So the card is mint and nothing wrong with the card? Cheers Alex "

la iph
"Sorry Alex of course the card is not mint she's super mint . She's in an magnetic holder and there is nothing wrong with don't worry.
Me and my friend are serious personn.

Don't forget to give me your adress.

tiphaine"

la iph
"Ok Alex thanks when the paiement is done by papayl GIFT it's the buyer who's got the fees not the seller.
That's why he would the paiement in GIFT.

The card will be post in recommend in Magnetic Holder as soon as my friend received the paiement.

Need your adress please.

All good Alex ?

Cheers

tiphaine"

anakinleo
"Hi tiphaine

I just received the card today and we got a problem, the top right hand side of the card have a big dinge on it. You mentioned that the card is super mint but obviously is a damaged. I have attached a picture to show you what I mean. I hope it is clear.

Look, if it was a $20 card, I wouldn't make such a big fuss but I paid $200 plus for it. Can I return the card or at least get a partial refund for it. Cheers Alex."

la iph
"Hi alex,

Yes just get news from him.

I must confess that I'm a bit confused with that story...
The card my friend sent you was absolutely mint!

He sent it in a screwdown, so that the card could not get any damage!
But, on the pic you sent me, the screwdown has been changed, it's not the one in which the card has been sent...
So I guess the card has been taken out of its screwdown...

I'm really sorry, but my friend tell me that's he won't refund anything, as the card has been sent in a perfect shape. I do still have the pics of before shipping.

Really sorry about that,

Regards,

Tiphaine"

Ok guys, this is what i received in the mail.

I was fine with the fact that it was not sent in a magnetic case like what la iph said in our conversation

The dinge is not obvious until you do a close up

At this point, I am annoyed as it is with such a dinge especially when he mentioned that it was super mint.

The final straw is that he goes on accusing me of taking it out from the case and accused of me "deliberately" damaging my cards. I was silly enough not to video the whole thing as I trusted la iph's reputation

I really feel for Tiphaine as he is in the middle of this whole saga between his friend and me but the fact that if you are using your reputation to sell cards on OCT, you jolly well be responsible for the cards whether it is yours or your friends.

Judge for yourselves guys. This is the kind of things which make people give up the hobby.

sskillswitch · Nov 8, 2012

unfortunately mate, i would say your hands are tied into leaving neg feedback. la iph ran the risk by selling a friends cards, and as you said, it isnt a 20$ card which you can just write off to bad luck, its 10x that, and you asked multiple about the condition!!! Spewing about the no refund/accusations of tampering with it too!!

drob50 · Nov 8, 2012

Is that photo taken before you took it out of the case? I am thinking the corner may have bent when screwing it back down? Without you realizing? Possible? But also possible that it was like that before it was sent!

We will never know?

drob50 · Nov 8, 2012

What were you asking for in respect of a 'partial refund'?

anakinleo · Nov 8, 2012

drob50 said:
Is that photo taken before you took it out of the case? I am thinking the corner may have bent when screwing it back down? Without you realizing? Possible? But also possible that it was like that before it was sent!

We will never know?

The card was sent like that with that exact case taken in the photo. I have yet to take the card out from the case. The original photo is sort of blur due to poor resolution but you can already see a bit of dent.

drob50 · Nov 8, 2012

anakinleo said:
The card was sent like that with that exact case taken in the photo. I have yet to take the card out from the case. The original photo is sort of blur due to poor resolution but you can already see a bit of dent.

Fair enough! So how much of a refund were you asking/hoping for?9

muzikandme · Nov 8, 2012

you can certainly see a bit of a dint on the original picture with it in the magnetic holder and to call it super mint is a joke

anakinleo · Nov 8, 2012

drob50 said:
What were you asking for in respect of a 'partial refund'?

Base on the condition, it should fall under

NM 7: Near Mint
A PSA NM 7 is a card with just a slight surface wear visible upon close inspection. There may be slight fraying on some corners. Picture focus may be slightly out-of-register. A minor printing blemish is acceptable. Slight wax staining is acceptable on the back of the card only. Most of the original gloss is retained. Centering must be approximately 70/30 to 75/25 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.

Normlly, a card under this condition would be about 75% of the mint value. Am I close?

drob50 · Nov 8, 2012

anakinleo said:
Base on the condition, it should fall under

NM 7: Near Mint
A PSA NM 7 is a card with just a slight surface wear visible upon close inspection. There may be slight fraying on some corners. Picture focus may be slightly out-of-register. A minor printing blemish is acceptable. Slight wax staining is acceptable on the back of the card only. Most of the original gloss is retained. Centering must be approximately 70/30 to 75/25 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.

Normlly, a card under this condition would be about 75% of the mint value. Am I close?

So around $50?

See, the issue for me is that a neg for Tiphaine isn't going to achieve anything, but I also understand that you do t want to/shouldn't have to wear it!

How about I send you a D Rob Exquisite Shadowbox auto, which will fetch you the $50 +, you don't Neg Tiphaine because it was her friend and not her, and we all chalk it up to a lesson learned?

postgsl · Nov 8, 2012

I am with Adam in that I think a neg for TIphanie is probably not the way to go as she was probably only reporting what her friend was telling her.

However I do think that she should not be allowed to sell any more cards for her friends and that if they wish to sell then they can become members so they can wear any negative feeedback

sskillswitch · Nov 8, 2012

drob50 said:
So around $50?

See, the issue for me is that a neg for Tiphaine isn't going to achieve anything, but I also understand that you do t want to/shouldn't have to wear it!

How about I send you a D Rob Exquisite Shadowbox auto, which will fetch you the $50 +, you don't Neg Tiphaine because it was her friend and not her, and we all chalk it up to a lesson learned?

i also was ripped off once, i bought a pack of chips that only had 3 chips in it - send me compensation?? lol

drob50 · Nov 8, 2012

sskillswitch said:
i also was ripped off once, i bought a pack of chips that only had 3 chips in it - send me compensation?? lol

What have YOU done for me lately? Haha

Tiphaine is one of the best and most generous members on here and has helped me out plenty!

anakinleo · Nov 8, 2012

drob50 said:
So around $50?

See, the issue for me is that a neg for Tiphaine isn't going to achieve anything, but I also understand that you do t want to/shouldn't have to wear it!

How about I send you a D Rob Exquisite Shadowbox auto, which will fetch you the $50 +, you don't Neg Tiphaine because it was her friend and not her, and we all chalk it up to a lesson learned?

Thanks for the gesture. I personally think that tiphaine a top bloke or gal. But he is being blind sided by a good friend of his. I have already reminded him again to talk some sense to his friend rather than just putting the blame on me. I really hope that a positive outcome can be produced between himself and his friend, and am awaiting a result. The purpose of a negative feedback is to protect other members from making similar mistakes. I don't want him to sell his friend's card on OCT if his friend doesn't want to be upfront honest with the condition of the card.

cwnobes · Nov 8, 2012

anakinleo said:
Thanks for the gesture. I personally think that tiphaine a top bloke. But he is being blind sided by a good friend of his. I have already reminded him again to talk some sense to his friend rather than just putting the blame on me. I really hope that a positive outcome can be produced between himself and his friend, and am awaiting a result. The purpose of a negative feedback is to protect other members from making similar mistakes. I don't want him to sell his friend's card on OCT if his friend doesn't want to be upfront honest with the condition of the card.

Tiphaine is female mate, just giving the heads up.

Hope this gets resolved for you mate.

Cheers, Cal

Adam - you're a champion too

anakinleo · Nov 8, 2012

sskillswitch said:
i also was ripped off once, i bought a pack of chips that only had 3 chips in it - send me compensation?? lol

Those must be really big jumbo chips!!!

anakinleo · Nov 8, 2012

cwnobes said:
Tiphaine is female mate, just giving the heads up.

Hope this gets resolved for you mate.

Cheers, Cal

Adam - you're a champion too

Thanks for the heads up, didn't realise that.

Mr Paparazzi · Nov 8, 2012

Sounds like a fair deal on the part of Adam's deal. I just bought a shadowbox D Rob too DAMN haha.

All jokes aside agree with most of here that Tip shouldnt sell cards for her friends. Anyone is welcome to join our great site. Tip has always been good and pleasant with myself so now doubt she is a decent member/contributor to this site.

Will say this though them damn screwdowns are notorious for causing damage, I will only use magnetics. ULTRA PRO magnetics haha

lukesicari · Nov 8, 2012

postgsl said:
I am with Adam in that I think a neg for TIphanie is probably not the way to go as she was probably only reporting what her friend was telling her.

However I do think that she should not be allowed to sell any more cards for her friends and that if they wish to sell then they can become members so they can wear any negative feeedback

Amen to that. Neg feedback will be misleading to new members on the site, was they might think Tiphanie is a bad member, even though it wasn't her card.

Either way hope you can work this our, pretty weird situation!

cwnobes · Nov 8, 2012

Personally I don't think you should leave negative feedback - however, perhaps a new rule should come of this where there is no trading on behalf of friends or family members.

anakinleo · Nov 8, 2012

Trust me, I am very reluctant to give tiphaine a negative as well and will not make a harsh decision. I will give it till this weekend and really hope she sorts it out with friend by then.

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