EBay Seller of the Month

hobo · Nov 6, 2014

Centering in some of the pictures we see potentially gives the illusion of the card being "trimmed". I can even understand slightly over and under sized cards but when the edge is not square like the one below my instincts tell me it has been "trimmed" by someone with the motor skills of a 4 year old.

Apart from poor consistency from the manufacturer I also believe that some of this comes from full sheets being given out and then being cut and subsequently traded or sold without the intention of being deceptive, its just the way the hobby was.

So that said I am reluctant to call lots of these sellers dodgy but exercise my right to not buy the card unless I am satisfied, there are plenty of cards with reasonable centring and that are well cut.

Ross

footycardswaps · Nov 6, 2014

What do you reckon was the year that Scanlens had the worst sized cards?, from what I've come across 1986 would have to be the worst for centering with a heap of cards with a narrow left margin, huge right margin and heaps of over sized cards.

the game rugby league · Nov 6, 2014

We have got to remember that the 64 and 63 set was not cut perfectly some off centre some slightly smaller. This comes down to engineering of cutting machines that used in printing factories in the sixties. It is not as though they where cutting paper or cardboard for the governor generals office. It was just a promo for rugby league in a form of a footy card. These machines used in printing factories would have been jump off there rails and bounce around like an HD holden driving across the Nullarbor. They where proberly used until about 1982 when scanlens stopped producing square football cards. They may have bought a new machine when they started back up in 1986 when they where more off centred and a bit out of lined, and proberly could not rectify this {may have been a new german cutting machine}. So they decided to go with the round corners in 1988. Although by saying that I have known some people to cut them to give them the better edge, and they are assholes!

DK Trading Cards · Nov 6, 2014

WOW cannot believe this even went to high in price !
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201205595139?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

MikeK · Nov 6, 2014

I thought it went for a very reasonable price - probably on the cheap side. Over 700 cards, a lot appeared in good condition. At least $2 per card for those vintages in good condition. Quite a few checklists and the old locker box as well. No doubt we'll see the individual cards back on eBay shortly for $4+ each.

the game rugby league · Nov 7, 2014

MikeK said:
Hi Steve,

The cards are what they are. That's the way Scanlens trimmed them and packed them.

I realise that trimming is an issue with older cards these days however, by definition, trimming makes things smaller. If one measurement (length/width) for a card is BIGGER than standard, then it's pretty hard to say it has been trimmed! I agree, pretty hard to tell size from pics though. That's where knowledge has to come into it. In this case, you have to know that Scanlens cards from the 70s and 80s were never ALWAYS perfect (colours, centering and trimming are very common issues). Looking at a seller's other items and getting a general feel for them (look through their completed auctions, what they've been buying, etc) helps.

I have a slightly different philosophy when it comes to "grading". For me, if it comes out of a packet (and the packet wasn't crushed in the box!) it is in mint condition, pure and simple. It could be damaged, slightly to badly off centered, missing a colour (remember those Manly cards from 74 that looked like they were from Penrith!), misprinted, whatever - it is still "mint" in my mind.

The problem is that "mint", when talking about GRADING, refers to PERFECTION, not only condition. Honestly, when a "grading" company uses the word "MINT" is seriously p*sses me off - they should be using the word "PERFECT".

I think someone pulling out an old shoe box after 30 odd years wouldn't know or care if a card was perfect (or mint). So I don't have any issues with the seller in this case, or their listings.

If a collector was selling them, then yes, they would know trimming edges is now an issue and would probably have to add measurements to their listing to justify the "apparent" trimming. Pretty sad when something cheap and fun like footy cards requires forensics to be able to sell something without being villified!

For the record, I have sold some of these vintage cards recently (privately) and both described and imaged the "trimming issues".

Regards
Mike

A few questions that i would like to put to you as a collector is, 'would you buy your cards if you saw them for sale on ebay'. Not if I was trying to sell them, no, that would be shill bidding! Seriously though, probably, if it was on my hit list and the price was right.
If you received cards like yours after buying them on ebay, would you say that you had been ripped off, i mainly mean the dimensions of each card. Honestly, no, because I should have looked at the pics carefully to ID any problems. If the card did appear to be recently trimmed (ie SMALLER in all dimensions) to produce good corners, then yes, I'd be jumping up and down.
Would a nicely edged set or even singles be of greater value. Yes, as we are talking perfection rather than condition.
Would you imply that they had been touched in some way, and what value would you put on your cards compared to say nicely edged cards. I would state the facts, specifically stating that they had NOT been messed with, but point out any potential issues. Let's not say nicely edged but instead straight edged - then I would, like most, value a perfectly square card more than a trapezoidal card, assuming the same general condition.

The grading of cards. The top three grading's are
Near mint
Mint
And the best card is Pristine / prestige
I agree with what you are saying, but perfect to me is pristine condition

hobo · Nov 7, 2014

Here's the winner..............

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NRL-Foot..._Rugby_League_Merchandise&hash=item4adf3bd78e

Personally signed?

nznrl · Nov 7, 2014

hobo said:
Here's the winner..............

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NRL-Foot..._Rugby_League_Merchandise&hash=item4adf3bd78e

Personally signed?

Oh WOW

That is indeed the all time winner of this thread

Missing Hinges · Nov 7, 2014

hobo said:
Here's the winner..............

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NRL-Foot..._Rugby_League_Merchandise&hash=item4adf3bd78e

Personally signed?

Lol should I ask if the buy it now offer comes with a cheque for $1100?

Carter · Nov 7, 2014

hobo said:
Here's the winner..............

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NRL-Foot..._Rugby_League_Merchandise&hash=item4adf3bd78e

Personally signed?

There are more sellers quoting those type of cards as signed. But that does get the award - personally signed.
What about the bottom line- chasing $1200 but am negotiable lol

bigrob2307 · Nov 7, 2014

hobo said:
Here's the winner..............

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NRL-Foot..._Rugby_League_Merchandise&hash=item4adf3bd78e

Personally signed?

i can quit work and retire now if thats the going rate lol

the game rugby league · Nov 7, 2014

Just set him a message. This is just a base set worth $50. I will wait for his reply

Carter · Nov 7, 2014

the game rugby league said:
Just set him a message. This is just a base set worth $50. I will wait for his reply

I was going to ask çracka, how and where did they get personally signed

saintsforever · Nov 7, 2014

the game rugby league said:
Just set him a message. This is just a base set worth $50. I will wait for his reply

I said 25
2nd set 20-25
3rd set 15

Leith Holding · Nov 7, 2014

saintsforever said:
I said 25
2nd set 20-25
3rd set 15

Given that his positive feedback percentage is just 66.7 - perhaps his ridiculous pricing is not that surprising...

I can confidently say that I would not buy a car off this man.

the game rugby league · Nov 8, 2014

Here is the response
serious?? yeah your not the first person to tell me now.....i was sold them as signed and i thought it was weird it was a white signature....think ill be going to the person i bought them from cause he charged me quite an amount

Carter · Nov 8, 2014

the game rugby league said:
Here is the response
serious?? yeah your not the first person to tell me now.....i was sold them as signed and i thought it was weird it was a white signature....think ill be going to the person i bought them from cause he charged me quite an amount

Yeah right!

Fleer_retro_collector_aus · Nov 8, 2014

the game rugby league said:
Here is the response
serious?? yeah your not the first person to tell me now.....i was sold them as signed and i thought it was weird it was a white signature....think ill be going to the person i bought them from cause he charged me quite an amount

That would have to be the most moronic thing i have read in some time lol.

MikeK · Nov 8, 2014

Probably the wrong thread for this, and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AGAINST THE SELLER (well done), but this is just not right (I mean the final price, and I am certainly not implying any shill or otherwise non-genuine bidding);

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2014-NRL...utton-amp-Sam-Burgess-Rabbitohs-/161469511288

The Mad Hatter · Nov 8, 2014

MikeK said:
Probably the wrong thread for this, and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AGAINST THE SELLER (well done), but this is just not right (I mean the final price, and I am certainly not implying any shill or otherwise non-genuine bidding);

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2014-NRL...utton-amp-Sam-Burgess-Rabbitohs-/161469511288

Amazing. To think I bought three sets of these for $50 at the start!

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