Criticism - enough is enough

Matty76

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Hi all

I think that given the way the Test series is playing out, we have all be remarkably well restrained and measured here (despite the frustration and anger at the teams' performance). However, in light of what I have recently been reading on another forum (which I am sure some of us use/visit) and on Newspaper internet sites, I can no longer hold my tongue.

I have had enough, absolutely bloody enough, of the gutless, faceless, ill-informed, baseless, personal attacks on individuals within the Australian team. Take a handful of these as an example (re-posted exactly as written, spelling and grammar errors included):

"Ponting is an idiot - and an arrogan one at that - he should be out - that is the opinion of all cricket fans..."

"Only Hussey should be safe. Drop Watson down the order also. The rest of the batting line up can say adios! Thanks and dont come back. Sorry punter, you included. If Clarke is made Capt, the public will revolt against the side. Nobody likes him, he is a spoiled brat. Sack them all."

"This is the weakest Australian team since World Series. No ability, no talent, and even less heart. Our first generation of cricketers who thru-out their insipid lives so far, have had it "to easy"."

"On your bike Ponting, go and make some more commercials mate, and give someone who wants to play cricket a go."

I could post pages and pages more, but why give these people any more than their 5 minutes of anonymous fame?

A constant criticism of modern sporting teams is that they are far too insular, and not "fan friendly" enough. My view, having read much of the above, is that we, as fans, are damn lucky to get what we get from them, given the circumstances.

A final thought, thanks to Theodore Roosevelt:

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

Thanks for reading, guys and gals :)
 
your right mate but people including me are just p**** off with these clowns that select our national team, they have made that many mistakes recently that it isn't funny.. Someone said yesterday about players who got robbed of test positions, to throw a few names around Michael Klinger, Brad Hodge and co were robbed, they have been at the top of State Cricket run-scoring lists for years and they don't get a spot. The other thing i am annoyed with is the selectors picking players that are out of form in state cricket, and i know exactly what you are going to say walshy about Hughes but in my opinion he wasn't the only one incorrectly picked. North (one of my favourite state players) didn't deserve to be picked as he was in terrible form with WA and even in the previous test series so didn't deserve a spot, but he did and was later dropped. Sack these selectors and replace them with brand new ones.

I'm a fan of giving youngsters a go but not during a big series like this.. (Sorry) Instead of picking Hughes pick someone that is in top form at state cricket with some experience and give them a go.. Klinger or Marsh could fill this role, and i'm sure there is many others around Australia that could fill this spot that have experience. Sure, next test series give youngsters a go, because if they don't go too well it doesn't matter..
 
While a lot of the stuff being said, espically the personal attacks, are just mindless idiots trying to vent some sort of anger and gain said 5 minutes of fame, the actual point/s that peope are trying to make are more then valid....

Ponting has never been a great "in game" captain IMO and this and the Indian Test series have proved that... the last 3 to 4 years have prved that... Other countries have developed players very well and the Australians have not kepted pace and Ponting himself is stuck in the middle ages... for the lack of a better comparison... His field placements, his bowling selections.... His own personal performances are not even worthy of a Shield side Captain let alone a World Cricket Powerhouse... or supposed one!

The selectors have more then let the ball drop in recent years BUT.... Multiple players have also used this and just gone with the flow rather then working out their own plaws and pursuing foxes for the own issues....

And if we are going to bring up Hughes in every single thread.... He is the future, but considering we HAD to win the last 2 Tests (this one included) then he was NOT the right choice... His form in state cricket was woeful, today excluded, he has looked like an oener hardly worthy of playing grade cricket... Klinger, Marsh are just 2 names that pop to mind when thinking of people that should have been named instead of Hughes IF the selectors were serious about winning this ASHS compain!

While I get where your coming from Matt and I do agree with you on the personal attacks and name calling sort of stuff, its just school yard stuff from mindless nimwits, Australian cricket needs a MASSIE overhaul.... Literally 5 or 6 players need to have a good look at themselves and maybe go back to state cricket or just retire and lets actually get Aussie cricket moving forward rather then backwards or just stagnent!
 
its politics when it comes to the australian cricket team! the selectors have "favourites" and that will always stand! so many talented state players were never given a "far go" and the other "favourites" could languish and still have their spot! all you cricket fans know who we are talking about, namely anyone with a NSW cap and players like damien martyn etc...players over time such as brad hodge, matthew elliott, jamie sydons, greg blewett, and probably the biggest travisty would be dean jones and his non existent test career! for crying out loud the guy was one of the best batsmen around that time!!!
i have heard mutterings from people involved at this level personally and trust me this is how it is!!!!
 
although they are annoying some are worthy of mention, but as much as it pisses us off these people are entitled to their opinion and free speech isn't that what our soldiers died for?.

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oh by the way in reply to this remark "Ponting is an idiot - and an arrogan one at that - he should be out - that is the opinion of all cricket fans..." It didn't seem that way when all the Australian supporters stood and clapped him as he made his way onto the ground today. (it was the Poms booing not the Aussies)
 
Personally I think its inevitable backlash from people used to Australia dominating at Test level for the past two decades.

In this series, England has consistently batted well and the English bowling attack has been on target and England has been better than Australia, outplaying them for nearly the entire series.

Its as simple as that.
 
oh and another thing i forgot to add is that maybe it isn't our batting, maybe it's England's World Class Bowling??
 
oh and another thing i forgot to add is that maybe it isn't our batting, maybe it's England's World Class Bowling??

That would be the logical conclusion when Australia has lost 16/267 while England scored 513 on the same pitch, using the same balls and in nearly the same weather conditions (admittedly it was overcast on Boxing Day).

The problem is that sports supporter, regardless of the sport, are rarely logical when it comes to 'their' team.
 
I think you will find it's more of the embarassment of losing to the Poms rather than just the losing, they'll get over it
 
I am keeping most of my opinions to myself on this subject (except what-ever I have already said on Facebook lol).

I will say one thing though, and that is I have thoroughly enjoyed the decade of Domination that Australia (the Cricket side) produced and I am not about to jump off the team just because we have dropped from #1 to #5 in the Test rankings. I am realistic and understand that losing Warne, McGrath, Gilchrist, Langer & Hayden will have some serious repercussions so I look forward to seeing who will step up and take thier places.

I look forward to day one of the SCG Test Match..........I'll be there!
 
Well guess I am going to have to bite seen as though my favourite player is at the centre of all of this! Agree with you completely Matty about all the criticism, how quickly people tend to forget! Punter is one of the top 3 best batsmen Australia has ever had IMO (Statistically speaking the 2nd best) Imagine if Ponting had of retired with warne, mcgrath and langer, where would australian cricket be right now? 5th? I think a lot lot lower! As captain he can only do so much, the look in his face today when he got out was pure pain, a look that what more can he do?!?! Either way, one of our greatest ever batsman is sadly going to retire or be pushed in a decline and remembered as the captain that lost 3 ashes series under his tenure, even though his overall captaincy record isn't that bad!

Tubby and SW, had a shedload of remarkable players at their disposal, Ponting has a couple at best! They also had people that covered up their own poor form and allowed them to slip under the radar somewhat, take Punter's 1st hundred for instance, comes in at 4/66, Tubby out for a golden, Blewett, MW and SW barely troubling the scorers


Ponting doesn't have enough fight???? Do people forget he almost single handedly saved this match


The 06/07 series where we whitewashed the Poms 5-0, when Ponting had all of these great players to make him look better than he really is, or maybe he set the tone for that whole series at the gabba


And just some pure entertainment for the haters :D


 
I think that after this Ashes loss, it will be a great opportunity for Cricket Australia to start from scratch and look to the future.

Personally, I still believe that Ricky Ponting is the man who should be leading this new team during this time of transition. He has the experience to do the job and I seriously have a hard time finding a replacement for him at the moment. Having him there to groom a captain to take over would be enough for me to have him in the side.

We should take the next few years building up our team to reclaim the Ashes as our main goal. We should be looking at what players will be there then and have them in the team now. I would be happier to blood a few new players and lose a series or 2 against the likes of Pakistan/Sri Lanka/West Indies to get to a point where we can win back the ashes.

It will be interesting to see what team gets selected for the Sydney test.

Cheers
Matt
 
time for a change in the team and selectors is now.. they have the last test to try new things. nothing to lose.
keep ponting in, but bring in cam white as his understudy. he can bat at 5 or 6, alot better than north or smith.
hauritz should be the spinner at the moment. has form with bat and bowl.
as for a pace bowler, we need to drop one of them and bring in george. all the pace attack is around the same height. we need a taller bowler so it comes in from above there eye sight. aussies have had that trouble all ashes.
but most of the bowlers have done well with what they have.
and as for batsmen, you keep hughes, watson(but down the order) ponting, hussey.
bring in a couple of proven batsmen like the blokes that are in the above threads.
but all they have to do is keep the aussie spirit going and knock off the poms in sydney. ( unless a miracle happens in melbourne..haha)
 
time for a change in the team and selectors is now.. they have the last test to try new things. nothing to lose.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but we do have something to lose in sydney! When we lose badly in melbourne tomorrow, barring twin doubles from haddin and johnson :lol:, then england retain the ashes. If we lose in Sydney the poms win the ashes back, if we WIN in Sydney the poms only managed to retain them and a 100yrs from now when someone is looking back on the 200+ yrs of ashes cricket book, they will see that England only managed to barely retain them 2-2 and all of this that has been written means nothing! We need to win in Sydney!!!
 
Some great hitting from Ricky in that 2003 world cup, but whens the last time he did that to some bowlers?

uuummmm see above thread... or the double against pakis in hobart recently, though he should have been gone for a duck and the pakis from that series were cheats LOL
 
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