carlton whats wrong with them

steve-o · Jul 22, 2007

i am a passionate carlton supporter and to see carlton give up today and get destroyed / demolished outplayed/ it really pissed me off.

dennis pagan has to go 5 years as coach what a joke.no improvmement in the team all confindenice and self belief has gone from the club
carlton has the worst list in the afl and it needs to improve

how shit are we we could not even beat a melbourne football club with half there good players out

i know personally how this feels when teams go throw shit times i have stkilda friends they tell me all the time

wolvesjr34 · Jul 22, 2007

The question, mate, isn't whats wrong with Carlton, it's what isn't.

Sorry mate that team really needs an overhaul!

mattyj · Jul 22, 2007

they have like 4 or 5 players worth keeping and the rest are garbage....Gibbs, Murphy, Kennedy, Waite and O'hailpin are probably the only ones worth holding onto

steve-o · Jul 22, 2007

yes a complete overhaul your right get rid of pagan kernhan all the shit assitant coaches and players

i dont mind my team losing but when they played like today it makes supporters and members upset and angrey

carlton looked lost today brisbane was muhammeed ali and carlton were the challanger

it seems carlton has no game plan or a basic game plan beacuse it is usless he always gets outcoached and the players played today like the new pagan was gone

nenjabin · Jul 22, 2007

wolvesjr34 said:
The question, mate, isn't whats wrong with Carlton, it's what isn't.

Sorry mate that team really needs an overhaul!

You stole my line! What;s RIGHT with Carlton? Other than Mark Murphy and Jarad Waite...

ScottE · Jul 22, 2007

I don't think any other coach could do a better job, shocking list due to loss of draft picks and I think it's going to be a few years before there's any improvement.

bargey · Jul 23, 2007

Carlton, what's wrong with them?

Well... they're Carlton.

Shihad · Jul 23, 2007

I'll say this much there are a few players on your list that would be better served at another club. Some players like skinny Lappin, that girly looking thing Ryan Houlihan, Kouta, Fat Farm Lance Whitnall, David Teague, Saddington and Dylan McLaren are instant get rid ofs IMO.

Players I'd definately be keeping include Fev, Cazzarro, Gibbs, Kennedy, Murphy, O'Hailpin, Scotland, Simpson, Stevens (Providing he can still play after his injury) and Waite (I'd turn him into a permanent defender).

I feel sorry for blokes like Thornton cos the ball just gets banged into the opposition forward line so much what do you expect the bloke to do. Andrew Walkers disposal everytime I see him is appalling.

Pagan hangs onto players that are trash too often, like look at David Teague for example. I dunno what you should do down there to be honest lol. Im glad I don't support em I'll say that much.

wolvesjr34 · Jul 23, 2007

Shihad said:
I feel sorry for blokes like Thornton cos the ball just gets banged into the opposition forward line so much what do you expect the bloke to do. Andrew Walkers disposal everytime I see him is appalling.

I bet he's wishing he came to Hawthorn now!!

AndrewG23 · Jul 23, 2007

they are shit! ive given up on them this season and hope they dont win another game so they get that priority pick.

ozballer23 · Jul 23, 2007

steve-o said:
i am a passionate carlton supporter and to see carlton give up today and get destroyed / demolished outplayed/ it really pissed me off.

dennis pagan has to go 5 years as coach what a joke.no improvmement in the team all confindenice and self belief has gone from the club
carlton has the worst list in the afl and it needs to improve

how shit are we we could not even beat a melbourne football club with half there good players out

i know personally how this feels when teams go throw shit times i have stkilda friends they tell me all the time

The coach doesn't win games, the players do. Carlton supporters have it in their heads that every year a premiership is required, and nothing else. Yes the team is struggling, but you got to look at how much they've relied on their ageing stars, such as kouta, they need to start playing the kids more and give them a chance to develop. Steven's injury and Fevola's attitude doesn't help the slightest bit also. Big Red has gone missing, and where's you're back line? You need to have some patience. Stop blaming the coach, look at your list, get rid of player's that are not performing, give the kids a shot. It all takes time. Being a Hawthorn supporter I know what it's like.

nenjabin · Jul 23, 2007

ozballer23 said:
The coach doesn't win games, the players do. Carlton supporters have it in their heads that every year a premiership is required, and nothing else. Yes the team is struggling, but you got to look at how much they've relied on their ageing stars, such as kouta, they need to start playing the kids more and give them a chance to develop. Steven's injury and Fevola's attitude doesn't help the slightest bit also. Big Red has gone missing, and where's you're back line? You need to have some patience. Stop blaming the coach, look at your list, get rid of player's that are not performing, give the kids a shot. It all takes time. Being a Hawthorn supporter I know what it's like.

Carlton have been playing the kids. Half the team is kids! The veteren leadership is severely lacking and it's definately not Pagan's fault, as you said, as the coach can only work with what he is given, and in Carltons case, that ain't much!

ozballer23 · Jul 23, 2007

nenjabin said:
Carlton have been playing the kids. Half the team is kids! The veteren leadership is severely lacking and it's definately not Pagan's fault, as you said, as the coach can only work with what he is given, and in Carltons case, that ain't much!

Walker, Murphy, who else? They may be playing kids, but they still need to get rid of guys who are playing on their reputations, like Big red and Lappin and give others a shot. And get a descent ruckman. Clearances wins games. period. Thats only my opinion from an unbiased point of view.

nenjabin · Jul 23, 2007

ozballer23 said:
Walker, Murphy, who else? They may be playing kids, but they still need to get rid of guys who are playing on their reputations, like Big red and Lappin and give others a shot. And get a descent ruckman. Clearances wins games. period. Thats only my opinion from an unbiased point of view.

Agreed. Hence my comment on veteren leadership. They have none cause the Whitnell's and Lappin's and such arn't standing up. (Whitnell most over-rated player in the league over his career...no wait, scrub that, 2nd to Jeff White).
Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, Waite (coming out of the kid age though now), Carazzo, O'Hailphin x2, Betts... Uhhhh I dunno their list well enough! That's just a couple though and there are more.
And yes, their ruckmen have sucked ass but then it seems alot of teams now-a-days struggle with getting ruckmen...Unless your my team Melbourne and you just give all the ruck time to the most over-rated player in the game and allow Darren Jolly and Troy Simmonds to walk and become stars while holding back Jamar and to a HUGE extent Paul Johnson

Unbiased here too mate ...On Carlton that is

ozballer23 · Jul 23, 2007

nenjabin said:
Agreed. Hence my comment on veteren leadership. They have none cause the Whitnell's and Lappin's and such arn't standing up. (Whitnell most over-rated player in the league over his career...no wait, scrub that, 2nd to Jeff White).
Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, Waite (coming out of the kid age though now), Carazzo, O'Hailphin x2, Betts... Uhhhh I dunno their list well enough! That's just a couple though and there are more.
And yes, their ruckmen have sucked ass but then it seems alot of teams now-a-days struggle with getting ruckmen...Unless your my team Melbourne and you just give all the ruck time to the most over-rated player in the game and allow Darren Jolly and Troy Simmonds to walk and become stars while holding back Jamar and to a HUGE extent Paul Johnson

Unbiased here too mate ...On Carlton that is

I don't consider Waite a kid no more! He has been around for a few yrs and is one of the only carlton players who can hold his head up. Gibbs has potential, but haven't seen him do anything to resemble a top 10 pick. Carlton needs to throw the garbage out and bring in some real talent, eg. they need a ruckman, key position players (chf, chb, fb) and they need a hardball getter, carrazzo is good, around the packs, but they need to get someone in and under them.

nenjabin · Jul 23, 2007

ozballer23 said:
I don't consider Waite a kid no more! He has been around for a few yrs and is one of the only carlton players who can hold his head up. Gibbs has potential, but haven't seen him do anything to resemble a top 10 pick. Carlton needs to throw the garbage out and bring in some real talent, eg. they need a ruckman, key position players (chf, chb, fb) and they need a hardball getter, carrazzo is good, around the packs, but they need to get someone in and under them.

Yuh huh

Magicman · Jul 23, 2007

mattyj said:
they have like 4 or 5 players worth keeping and the rest are garbage....Gibbs, Murphy, Kennedy, Waite and O'hailpin are probably the only ones worth holding onto

i would take Andrew Walker any day and i like the look of that Kade Simpson. I think the Blues have too many old timers who are simply not upto it. Guys like Saddington, Lappin, Kouta, Ackland, Scotland and so on.... dont get me wrong they were good in their day but the game is just too quick for them now.

The kids are coming along slowly then expected, Gibbs and Murphy being chucked striaght into the first 18 doesnt help, they need time to get the feel of it at the elite level.

Also Nick Stevens is their star midfielder who is out, also must break the Blues hearts.

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