Anyone else sick of collecting MJs?

Cobretti · Jun 9, 2012

Well I am slowly getting sick of collecting his cards. The prices are way to crazy atm.

People seem to be working together to elivate the market in hope to snag someone.

Even ex fleer auction (or reprints who knows) cards are selling high.

here is an example:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=110889914357&nma=true&rt=nc&si=ZCM7RvOJU0djs63Sibj4SquUB5Y%3D&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Totally unprofessional of BGS for getting it wrong in the first place and shame on the seller for claiming it /100 when the photos CLEARLY have no numbering on back.

The worst part is this auction appears to be shilled, and to tell you the true I don't know if the winning bidder is a real winner or not. If he is he just waste $5K.

Now this guy either has too much money to spend or something is fish, as there are more THAN one seller with great MJs on eBay. 96% bid activity from one seller is a bit suss. but who knows perhaps its possible.

Look at the record:

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 139
Items bid on: 87
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 96%

Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 1

Cebru · Jun 9, 2012

Jordans are over-priced, Jordan is over-rated, it's the nature of the beast...

drobfan8 · Jun 9, 2012

That auction and the confusion with the Playmakers Theatre is a joke. $5000 for that is stupid.

Jordan is certainly overpriced, the big time Jordan collectors however will tell you that he will only continue to go up. I disagree, I just don't think people will continue to collect most of those 90's inserts in another 10-20 years. Of course the numbered 90's stuff will always be very expensive as well as some of the other key cards like 93/94 Finest refractors that are classics.

To say Jordan is over-rated is a bit of a stretch. The guy put the NBA on the world map.

There is so many dodgy dealings with Jordan stuff also so it's hard to gauge a true value of his stuff.

ozballer23 · Jun 9, 2012

Jordan over rated? Really? lol Have to diagree with that! I think all these achievements may say different
NBA

Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
6-time NBA champion: 1991-93, 1996-98 (all with Chicago Bulls)

6 NBA Finals appearances: 1991-93, 1996-98

5-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 1988, 1991â€“92, 1996, 1998[1][2]
10-time scoring champion: 1987-93, 1996â€“98[3]
3-time steals leader: 1988, 1990, 1993
3-time minutes leader: 1987-89
14-time NBA All-Star: 1985-93, 1996â€“98, 2002-03[4]
3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 1988, 1996, 1998[5]
6-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player: 1991-93, 1996-98[6]
1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1987-88[7]
11-time All-NBA selection:

First Team: 1987-93, 1996-98[8][9]
Second Team: 1985[8][9]

9-time All-Defensive selection:

First Team: 1988-93, 1996-98[10][11]

NBA All-Rookie selection:

First Team: 1985[12][13]

NBA Rookie of the Year: 1985[14]
2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1987-88[15]

Runner-up in 1985

7-time The Sporting News Most Valuable Player: 1987-88, 1988â€“89, 1990â€“91, 1991â€“92, 1995â€“96, 1996â€“97, 1997â€“98
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year: 1991
Ranked #1 by SLAM Magazine's Top 75 Players of All-time
Ranked #1 by ESPN Sportscentury's Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
Selected in 1996 as member of two of the "Top 10 Teams in NBA History"

1991-92 Chicago Bulls (67â€“15; .817)
1995-96 Chicago Bulls (72â€“10; .878)

Olympics

Two Olympic gold medals - USA: 1984, 1992

College

NCAA National Championship - University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: 1981-82
ACC Freshman of the Year â€“ 1981-82
Naismith College Player of the Year: 1983-84
John R. Wooden Award: 1983-84
Adolph Rupp Trophy: 1983-84
USBWA College Player of the Year: 1983-84
ACC Men's Basketball Player of the Year: 1983-84
The Sporting News College Player of the Year: 1983-84

I think some of his card prices are inflated at the moment and that doesn't help his collectors. He will always command high prices, especially with his limited/numbered cards. I can't wait to see what effect demand has for his exquisites in time to come.

Jaames · Jun 9, 2012

I think you're right in thinking there are a few people that do what they can to push the prices up to crazy amounts to kill the market for most.

^Abdul-Jabbar > Jordan

6Ã— NBA Champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987â€“1988)
6Ã— NBA Most Valuable Player (1971â€“1972, 1974,1976â€“1977, 1980)
19Ã— NBA All-Star (1970â€“1977, 1979â€“1989)
2Ã— NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
10Ã— All-NBA First Team (1971â€“1974, 1976â€“1977,1980â€“1981, 1984, 1986)
5Ã— All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978â€“1979, 1983,1985)
5Ã— NBA All-Defensive First Team (1974â€“1975,1979â€“1981)
6Ã— NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1970â€“1971,1976â€“1978, 1984)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1970)
NBA All-Rookie Team (1970)
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
3Ã— NCAA Men's Basketball Champion (1967â€“1969)
3Ã— NCAA Basketball Tournament MOP (1967â€“1969)
Naismith College Player of the Year (1969)
2Ã— USBWA College Player of the Year (1967â€“1968)
No.33 retired by Milwaukee Bucks
No.33 retired by Los Angeles Lakers
No.33 retired by UCLA
Holds NBA career record for:
- Most points (38,387)[25]
- Most minutes played (57,446)
- Most field goals made (15,837)
- Most field goals attempted (28,307)
- Most All-Star selections (19)
Most All-Star games played (18

Verse1 · Jun 9, 2012

The insert thing is ridiculous imo which is why I wont buy into any mj inserts these days. There is still plenty of value in mj autos however. I went through a stage of dejection as you are right now with the whole insert thing and didn't buy an mj for over a year now im picking up the occasional mj auto for the collection. For the price of that fleer auction/backdoor card you could have 3 on-card autos of him where he actually held the card and signed it.

Cobretti · Jun 9, 2012

LOL i didn't think we needed a list of MJs acheivements to know he is a great player

In anycase, it would appear that the buyer is an aussie.

http://www.ozcardtrader.com.au/comm...n-card-is-expensive.44633/page-4#post-1108520

Does anyone know him? It would be nice to warn him before he pays for this flaeer auction card (potential fake printed outside like the 1985 star card, but I would guess BGS should be able to spot it, but who knows when they mislable it).

aussiemjfreak · Jun 9, 2012

I haven't bought a Jordan card for over 18 months and nothing decent for over 2 years..... I just can not justify the prices of his stuff. I have however bought memorabilia type stuff and other collectable stuff featuring the G O A T...

On a side note, love how the shit stirrers, with nothing better to do then attempt to start up arguments appear in threads like this....

I feel your pain Dom, hence why Ive gone off on the PC's I have the last few years and now concentrate on Gibson and Deng....

tcorbal · Jun 9, 2012

I'm not sick of collecting MJ's but it is exhaustive looking for good deals as they're so expensive nowdays. I can't justify spending big $'s on high end inserts when I know I can buy a nice MJ auto instead so I totally agree with Verse1 on that!

Cobretti · Jun 9, 2012

aussiemjfreak said:
I haven't bought a Jordan card for over 18 months and nothing decent for over 2 years..... I just can not justify the prices of his stuff. I have however bought memorabilia type stuff and other collectable stuff featuring the G O A T...

On a side note, love how the s*** stirrers, with nothing better to do then attempt to start up arguments appear in threads like this....

I feel your pain Dom, hence why Ive gone off on the PC's I have the last few years and now concentrate on Gibson and Deng....

yer Deng is my side collection due to my charity ocnnection to Sudan (my mate knows him from the refugee days, not like best buds but just like we have mates from primary school we kind of catchup with), but only get ones I like (I don't go crazy getting all).

tcorbal said:
I'm not sick of collecting MJ's but it is exhaustive looking for good deals as they're so expensive nowdays. I can't justify spending big $'s on high end inserts when I know I can buy a nice MJ auto instead so I totally agree with Verse1 on that!

I agree some of the autos are at a decent price still. If I had no ambissions of owning a house (and wnated to keep my gf haha), I would probably layout some $$$ on one of these crazy 90s cards.

Cebru · Jun 9, 2012

Hmmm Norm I have read your jordan-memoirs and am working on my answer.. haha, brace yo'self

ozballer23 · Jun 9, 2012

Memoirs? Lol A whole 15 secs of copy and paste lol... Ok Clint, tell me why he's over rated!

Cebru · Jun 9, 2012

Haha! Lies mate, lies! I can see that you clearly wrote all that off the top of ya head and even spent hours formatting it all pretty-like... cut'n'paste, hah, not likely... time-stamps don't quite add up, but, what do the facts matter ay?

Cebru · Jun 9, 2012

So... If MJ isn't over-priced and over-rated, the gap between his prices and his competitors should kinda reflect the gap between his career/achievements and theirs. Not really tangible, so instead I sat down with mah trusty 14-month old Beckett and opened it to random pages and looked for the words "Michael Jordan". I then went to eBay to calculate the average figures from recent sales of the MJ in that particular set and those of his nearest rivals. I made sure to get a mix from the 90s thru to the almost present, that I had a selection of inserts, autos, and gu's, and that I only used ungraded sales. Here's what I spent too long looking at:

96-97 Ultra Starring Role
Jordan $226 - Garnett $22 - Shaq $15 - Admiral $12 - Olajuwon $10

97-98 Z-Force Rave Review
Jordan $150 - Shaq $52 - Pippen $32 - KG $23

98-99 Metal Universe Linchpins
Jordan $560 - Kobe $200 - Timmy $43

01-02 Ultimate Collection Signatures
Jordan $585 - DrJ $77 - Garnett $50 - Joe Johnson $8.50

04-05 SPx Winning Materials Auto
Jordan $600 - Garnett $89

05-06 Sweet Shot Sweet Swatches
Jordan $41 - LeBron $15 - CP3 $4 - Shaq $4

05-06 Upper Deck Trilogy The Cutting Edge
Jordan(SP) $34 - LeBron $14 - Kobe $11

08-09 Upper Deck Ultimates
Jordan $7 - Pete Maravich $1 - Pippen $1.3 - Chamberlain $1 - DrJ $0.1

08-09 Fleer Feel the Game
Jordan $36 - LeBron $5 - Melo $1.5 - Dwight Howard $1

Pretty rough I know, but based on those numbers, I'm not signing Jordan to my team if I can have 5 Pippens, or 3 Kobes, or 8 Garnetts, or 8 Shaqs, or 3 LeBrons, or a proportionate mix of them instead. The gaps between Jordan and everyone else are too large for my liking. The gaps between everyone else seem semi-reasonable to me. Over-rated and over-priced in my opinion, why else would people be willing to pay so high.. I can't accept that he was that much better than anyone else has ever been. I'm hesitant to believe he is the best to have played the game at all, but I do accept that he was by far the greatest in his time, and greater than anyone else has been in their own time. Prices are up coz it's retro and people seem to like retro, people who grew up hypnotised by his awesomeness that are now able to splash out. His Airness' bubble will have to burst and dissipate sometime, but it could be a while. Many people say Jordan prices are crazy yet don't associate that with being over-rated. Sadly I can't prove he is over-rated & over-priced any more than anyone can convince me that he isn't, it's only speculation and opinion. But I do know for sure that, both, the chicken came before the egg, and the glass is half-full.

nino_013 · Jun 9, 2012

Really?? You're comparing the price of cardboard to what other players maybe worth on court??

Cebru · Jun 9, 2012

No nino, that's not what I mean. I'm comparing what people pay (how over-rated he is) to an estimation of how much better he was/is than anyone else. Not the cardboard, but public opinion for the over-rated part, it's not like that many people collect Jordan cards just because they are the most expensive to collect.

ozballer23 · Jun 9, 2012

Cebru said:
So... If MJ isn't over-priced and over-rated, the gap between his prices and his competitors should kinda reflect the gap between his career/achievements and theirs. Not really tangible, so instead I sat down with mah trusty 14-month old Beckett and opened it to random pages and looked for the words "Michael Jordan". I then went to eBay to calculate the average figures from recent sales of the MJ in that particular set and those of his nearest rivals. I made sure to get a mix from the 90s thru to the almost present, that I had a selection of inserts, autos, and gu's, and that I only used ungraded sales. Here's what I spent too long looking at:

96-97 Ultra Starring Role
Jordan $226 - Garnett $22 - Shaq $15 - Admiral $12 - Olajuwon $10

97-98 Z-Force Rave Review
Jordan $150 - Shaq $52 - Pippen $32 - KG $23

98-99 Metal Universe Linchpins
Jordan $560 - Kobe $200 - Timmy $43

01-02 Ultimate Collection Signatures
Jordan $585 - DrJ $77 - Garnett $50 - Joe Johnson $8.50

04-05 SPx Winning Materials Auto
Jordan $600 - Garnett $89

05-06 Sweet Shot Sweet Swatches
Jordan $41 - LeBron $15 - CP3 $4 - Shaq $4

05-06 Upper Deck Trilogy The Cutting Edge
Jordan(SP) $34 - LeBron $14 - Kobe $11

08-09 Upper Deck Ultimates
Jordan $7 - Pete Maravich $1 - Pippen $1.3 - Chamberlain $1 - DrJ $0.1

08-09 Fleer Feel the Game
Jordan $36 - LeBron $5 - Melo $1.5 - Dwight Howard $1

Pretty rough I know, but based on those numbers, I'm not signing Jordan to my team if I can have 5 Pippens, or 3 Kobes, or 8 Garnetts, or 8 Shaqs, or 3 LeBrons, or a proportionate mix of them instead. The gaps between Jordan and everyone else are too large for my liking. The gaps between everyone else seem semi-reasonable to me. Over-rated and over-priced in my opinion, why else would people be willing to pay so high.. I can't accept that he was that much better than anyone else has ever been. I'm hesitant to believe he is the best to have played the game at all, but I do accept that he was by far the greatest in his time, and greater than anyone else has been in their own time. Prices are up coz it's retro and people seem to like retro, people who grew up hypnotised by his awesomeness that are now able to splash out. His Airness' bubble will have to burst and dissipate sometime, but it could be a while. Many people say Jordan prices are crazy yet don't associate that with being over-rated. Sadly I can't prove he is over-rated & over-priced any more than anyone can convince me that he isn't, it's only speculation and opinion. But I do know for sure that, both, the chicken came before the egg, and the glass is half-full.

Good work! I can see the point you are trying to make, but my point still stands, MJ is not over rated. He has done things on court that no one has ever, and may never come close to.
On the other hand I agree about his prices, they are pretty high at the moment. But his prices are dictated by demand, and obviously he is what collectors want. You may not agree with it, but things are only worth what people are prepared to pay for it. And they are prepared to pay the big bucks for his cards!

Cebru · Jun 9, 2012

Off-court Jordan contributes large too no doubt. Don't recall seeing MJ picking his nose on camera at all, KD.

ozballer23 · Jun 9, 2012

Cebru said:
Off-court Jordan contributes large too no doubt. Don't recall seeing MJ picking his nose on camera at all, KD.

Now that's a card that will sell for a bit lol

hawkfandan · Jun 10, 2012

I have collected MJ for years and finally threw my hands up in disgust about 6 months or so ago. I refuse. Not only are the prices ridiculous, but you can't trust the ending price of 99% of these auctions either. Check the bid history of that Playmaker auction - shilled, shilled, shilled. Shady. Anyone paying these prices is crazy.

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