2017 Regal Football Greats of the Game

westaussiefootball · Nov 3, 2017

ShueyGaffDarlingNat said:
I couldn't agree more. I was hoping for a P.Matera, D.Kemp, J.Worsfold, C.Lewis, K.Langdon, T.Evans, D.Wirrpanda

Nup.

We get Ash Hansen. Yeah he was good in the 06 GF but he only played 78 games of footy for the club.

John Todd. He was so poor as the Eagles Head Coach in 89 we couldn't get him out the door quick enough.

Ross Glendinning. Sure he was our first captain but only played two seasons and was more a champion at North.

Steven Malaxos. Yep a total of 75 games of AFL.

At 140.00 a box with this kind of selection....

Mate, I know you're an Eagles fan and therefore interested only in players' careers with West Coast, but surely you can't doubt the credentials of Malaxos or Todd to be in the set? They are both Greats of the Game, in my opinion. Especially Todd. I couldn't say the same for Langdon or Evans. Wirrpanda would be borderline for me.
Yep, would have been nice for Eagles collectors to have a legitimate Eagles hero who played all their senior footy for the club, but I would have thought two former captains and two former coaches wasn't a bad start (* Malthouse is featured as a Pies coach, though).
As for Hansen, he was the one I was referring to as a "club servant" in an earlier post. Not my cuppa tea, but (as a few people have said in this thread) each to their own.
I'll probably chase the Todd, Walker, Malaxos, Glendinning, Jimmy Melbourne and Peake cards. Might even pick up Hansen and Zanotti on the cheap
Yeah, not all players are those I would have picked, but at least there are a few things here for me to be excited about. And gee I would love to pull a Dick Reynolds sig card, just for the rarity!

BLOWN8 · Nov 3, 2017

John Todd probably wasn't the greatest for West Coast but looking at his Wiki page he is a great of WA footy. He won a Sandover medal and was All Aust, and coached a total of 721 games.

westaussiefootball · Nov 3, 2017

BLOWN8 said:
John Todd probably wasn't the greatest for West Coast but looking at his Wiki page he is a great of WA footy. He won a Sandover medal and was All Aust, and coached a total of 721 games.

He is one of 15 official legends of WA football. Also a member of the Australian Football Hall of Fame.

ShueyGaffDarlingNat · Nov 3, 2017

westaussiefootball said:
Mate, I know you're an Eagles fan and therefore interested only in players' careers with West Coast, but surely you can't doubt the credentials of Malaxos or Todd to be in the set? They are both Greats of the Game, in my opinion. Especially Todd. I couldn't say the same for Langdon or Evans. Wirrpanda would be borderline for me.
Yep, would have been nice for Eagles collectors to have a legitimate Eagles hero who played all their senior footy for the club, but I would have thought two former captains and two former coaches wasn't a bad start (* Malthouse is featured as a Pies coach, though).
As for Hansen, he was the one I was referring to as a "club servant" in an earlier post. Not my cuppa tea, but (as a few people have said in this thread) each to their own.
I'll probably chase the Todd, Walker, Malaxos, Glendinning, Jimmy Melbourne and Peake cards. Might even pick up Hansen and Zanotti on the cheap
Yeah, not all players are those I would have picked, but at least there are a few things here for me to be excited about. And gee I would love to pull a d*** Reynolds sig card, just for the rarity!

Your kidding me calling Malaxos a great of the game aren't you? His WAFL credentials are decent, i won't deny you that but i could give you far more talented and better credentialed players to play WAFL who aren't in this set. Oh and considering the WAFL was watered down during a good chunk of Malaxos career i'd hardly think he stacks up to other WAFL greats. I appreciate you love your WAFL but at 140.00 a box no one else gives a shit.

John Todd is a legend i won't argue that and deserves a place as a greats of the game but between you and me no one is going to be knocking the door down for any John Todd cards, you will save yourself a fair few dollars waiting for them to be in an auction or bargain basement on ebay because they will end up there. You have my word.

Glendinning is a great of the game sure, but his accomplishments for North far outweigh being the inaugural captain for WC which is where his signature seems to sit in this set.

Ash Hansen *snicker*

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and this is mine.

ShueyGaffDarlingNat · Nov 3, 2017

BLOWN8 said:
John Todd probably wasn't the greatest for West Coast but looking at his Wiki page he is a great of WA footy. He won a Sandover medal and was All Aust, and coached a total of 721 games.

Not arguing that BLOWN but at 140.00 a box this hardly qualifies as value for me. It's no disrespect to the career of John Todd but i'm not going to have to pay anywhere near 140.00 for one of his cards if i'm so inclined. That's a fact.

Paul_Ambrey · Nov 3, 2017

i think a great deal of time,effort and money has gone in to making this product.but to me they look the the cards that are made to be sold at collectors fairs.

westaussiefootball · Nov 3, 2017

[QUOT
E="ShueyGaffDarlingNat, post: 1752504, member: 6040"]Your kidding me calling Malaxos a great of the game aren't you? His WAFL credentials are decent, i won't deny you that but i could give you far more talented and better credentialed players to play WAFL who aren't in this set. Oh and considering the WAFL was watered down during a good chunk of Malaxos career i'd hardly think he stacks up to other WAFL greats. I appreciate you love your WAFL but at 140.00 a box no one else gives a s***.

John Todd is a legend i won't argue that and deserves a place as a greats of the game but between you and me no one is going to be knocking the door down for any John Todd cards, you will save yourself a fair few dollars waiting for them to be in an auction or bargain basement on ebay because they will end up there. You have my word.

Glendinning is a great of the game sure, but his accomplishments for North far outweigh being the inaugural captain for WC which is where his signature seems to sit in this set.

Ash Hansen *snicker*

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and this is mine.[/QUOTE]

No argument that the Todd cards won't sell for a fortune. Was only arguing whether he was a Great of the Game because you bagged him on the basis of two years at West Coast.
Malaxos, yep, at $140 a box, he won't be chased by many, either. Completely agree with that. But we disagree on whether he's a great. Yep, there are better credentialled WAFL players, but that doesn't mean he's not a great. It really depends on where you set your threshold for being a "great". After all, Barry Hall is a Hall of Famer... and we all know there are better footballers than him who are not in the HoF. Ugh.
Glendinning? I suppose it depends on whether he's in an Eagles jumper or a North jumper on the card... (or an East Perth jumper, for that matter). His two seasons for the Eagles were pretty decent. I wouldn't be disappointed if I was an Eagles collector. Evans and Langdon would disappoint me as "greats".

GoMoto · Nov 3, 2017

Its great to see all the passionate collectors out there knowing their footy / club history. This of course comes with a opinion which almost always gives a different perspective of the product.

There seems to be very little doubt of the quality of the cards.
The concept of the Dick Reynolds chae signature card /3 is definitely something different and exciting. Similar to the Golden wonka bar chase! Love the idea.
The Enshrinement and numbers cards are also very low numbered, which will make the team collector chase all the more exciting.

Just my 2 cents.

GoMoto · Nov 3, 2017

I will be busting a couple of cases - come to me for your singles

BLOWN8 · Nov 3, 2017

GoMoto said:
I will be busting a couple of cases - come to me for your singles

I’ll be wanting Hawks cards mate. Hit me up if you pull any.

ShueyGaffDarlingNat · Nov 4, 2017

westaussiefootball said:
No argument that the Todd cards won't sell for a fortune. Was only arguing whether he was a Great of the Game because you bagged him on the basis of two years at West Coast.
Malaxos, yep, at $140 a box, he won't be chased by many, either. Completely agree with that. But we disagree on whether he's a great. Yep, there are better credentialled WAFL players, but that doesn't mean he's not a great. It really depends on where you set your threshold for being a "great". After all, Barry Hall is a Hall of Famer... and we all know there are better footballers than him who are not in the HoF. Ugh.
Glendinning? I suppose it depends on whether he's in an Eagles jumper or a North jumper on the card... (or an East Perth jumper, for that matter). His two seasons for the Eagles were pretty decent. I wouldn't be disappointed if I was an Eagles collector. Evans and Langdon would disappoint me as "greats".

To each their own Sean, will i pick up a few of the cards down the road? Possibly.

Will i be buying boxes at the set price to get those cards? No i won't.

For what it's worth for the last three years running i have spent at least $20,000 yearly on cases of Select product. I do this because i always make my money back and receive my cards for nothing for my time and trouble. I generally tend to make a few dollars as well. When 2012 Draft Prospects came out i bought cases like a madman and made a small fortune off of it due to it being an original concept at the time and the array of drafted players in the set. If i thought i could make my money off this set i would be pulling the cash out of my wallet as we speak.

Sadly i believe there is too much filler compared to what i would consider decent hits that will sell for decent money and due to that fact alone i can't from a sellers perspective even entertain opening it. If i thought i could make money or at the least pick my cards up for nothing then i would buy it but i don't see that being the case.

Personally i was greatly disappointed when i saw the checklists as i had such high hopes for it when it was first announced. I didn't comment until i saw the full checklist and have no intention of having a running commentary on the product after this post.

Good luck to those buying the boxes and cases, i hope you all do well.

BLOWN8 · Nov 4, 2017

I must say I too was very excited as the name ‘Greats of the Game’ lead me to believe this release was going to be packed with nothing but exactly that. But sadly there are far more names that don’t fit that title than names that do. I wasn’t sure where I was going to spend my money, either this, Future Force or Tap n Play The Ashes release. Have pre ordered some cricket boxes as I just couldn’t buy multiple boxes of this as the risk of hitting non-greats is too high.

back2backpremiers · Nov 4, 2017

wow what a set to collect, not from the great cards but the great quantities of cards and signatures that were billed as 'most limited release cards ever'
here are my sums, if i am wrong please amend.
number of base cards (34*260). 260 each player. 8840 base cards
number of gold base cards (34*50). 1700
century signature card (25*100). 2500
century gold signatures (25*20). 500
gold numbered non signature cards (227)
gold number signature cards (125)
enshrinement signature cards (12*25). 300
captain signature card (5*25). 125
mick malthouse tribute signature card (1). 25
dick reynolds signature card (1). 3

total number of signature cards: 3578.
total number of common cards: (34*260) 8840.
total number of gold base cards: 1700.
gold numbered non signature cards: 227.

total number of all cards produced: 14356
total number of boxes: 3578

total money received from this series ( 3578*$140). $500,920.00 no shit who's in it for the money, i meant fans !!

box ratios:
number of base cards (1:1.5)
gold base cards. 1:2 boxes
century signature card 1:1.5 boxes
century gold signatures 1:7 boxes
gold numbered non signature cards 1:16 boxes
gold number signature cards 1:28 boxes
enshrinement signature cards 1:12 boxes
captain signature card 1:30 boxes
mick malthouse tribute signature card 1:145 boxes
dick reynolds signature card 1:1200 boxes

total number of boxes: 3578
total number of case: 450

well there are the sums and figures i come up with, scary isn't it.
not complaining but you really dont have a chance of buying a box or case and expect to get that signature card you want.

Festa1234 · Nov 4, 2017

back2backpremiers said:
wow what a set to collect, not from the great cards but the great quantities of cards and signatures that were billed as 'most limited release cards ever'
here are my sums, if i am wrong please amend.
number of base cards (34*260). 260 each player. 8840 base cards
number of gold base cards (34*50). 1700
century signature card (25*100). 2500
century gold signatures (25*20). 500
gold numbered non signature cards (227)
gold number signature cards (125)
enshrinement signature cards (12*25). 300
captain signature card (5*25). 125
mick malthouse tribute signature card (1). 25
d*** reynolds signature card (1). 3

total number of signature cards: 3578.
total number of common cards: (34*260) 8840.
total number of gold base cards: 1700.
gold numbered non signature cards: 227.

total number of all cards produced: 14356
total number of boxes: 3578

total money received from this series ( 3578*$140). $500,920.00 no s*** who's in it for the money, i meant fans !!

box ratios:
number of base cards (1:1.5)
gold base cards. 1:2 boxes
century signature card 1:1.5 boxes
century gold signatures 1:7 boxes
gold numbered non signature cards 1:16 boxes
gold number signature cards 1:28 boxes
enshrinement signature cards 1:12 boxes
captain signature card 1:30 boxes
mick malthouse tribute signature card 1:145 boxes
d*** reynolds signature card 1:1200 boxes

total number of boxes: 3578
total number of case: 450

well there are the sums and figures i come up with, scary isn't it.
not complaining but you really dont have a chance of buying a box or case and expect to get that signature card you want.

Wowzers that many cases and they don’t offer a wholesale price, absolute madness

nichj99 · Nov 4, 2017

back2backpremiers said:
wow what a set to collect, not from the great cards but the great quantities of cards and signatures that were billed as 'most limited release cards ever'
here are my sums, if i am wrong please amend.
number of base cards (34*260). 260 each player. 8840 base cards
number of gold base cards (34*50). 1700
century signature card (25*100). 2500
century gold signatures (25*20). 500
gold numbered non signature cards (227)
gold number signature cards (125)
enshrinement signature cards (12*25). 300
captain signature card (5*25). 125
mick malthouse tribute signature card (1). 25
d*** reynolds signature card (1). 3

total number of signature cards: 3578.
total number of common cards: (34*260) 8840.
total number of gold base cards: 1700.
gold numbered non signature cards: 227.

total number of all cards produced: 14356
total number of boxes: 3578

total money received from this series ( 3578*$140). $500,920.00 no s*** who's in it for the money, i meant fans !!

box ratios:
number of base cards (1:1.5)
gold base cards. 1:2 boxes
century signature card 1:1.5 boxes
century gold signatures 1:7 boxes
gold numbered non signature cards 1:16 boxes
gold number signature cards 1:28 boxes
enshrinement signature cards 1:12 boxes
captain signature card 1:30 boxes
mick malthouse tribute signature card 1:145 boxes
d*** reynolds signature card 1:1200 boxes

total number of boxes: 3578
total number of case: 450

well there are the sums and figures i come up with, scary isn't it.
not complaining but you really dont have a chance of buying a box or case and expect to get that signature card you want.

Regal won’t be making anywhere near that amount of money. They need to give to their distributors at a significantly smaller amount so that they can sell it and keep their margin. Your figure is probably accurate as to total retail sales.

GoMoto · Nov 4, 2017

back2backpremiers said:
wow what a set to collect, not from the great cards but the great quantities of cards and signatures that were billed as 'most limited release cards ever'
here are my sums, if i am wrong please amend.
number of base cards (34*260). 260 each player. 8840 base cards
number of gold base cards (34*50). 1700
century signature card (25*100). 2500
century gold signatures (25*20). 500
gold numbered non signature cards (227)
gold number signature cards (125)
enshrinement signature cards (12*25). 300
captain signature card (5*25). 125
mick malthouse tribute signature card (1). 25
d*** reynolds signature card (1). 3

total number of signature cards: 3578.
total number of common cards: (34*260) 8840.
total number of gold base cards: 1700.
gold numbered non signature cards: 227.

total number of all cards produced: 14356
total number of boxes: 3578

total money received from this series ( 3578*$140). $500,920.00 no s*** who's in it for the money, i meant fans !!

box ratios:
number of base cards (1:1.5)
gold base cards. 1:2 boxes
century signature card 1:1.5 boxes
century gold signatures 1:7 boxes
gold numbered non signature cards 1:16 boxes
gold number signature cards 1:28 boxes
enshrinement signature cards 1:12 boxes
captain signature card 1:30 boxes
mick malthouse tribute signature card 1:145 boxes
d*** reynolds signature card 1:1200 boxes

total number of boxes: 3578
total number of case: 450

well there are the sums and figures i come up with, scary isn't it.
not complaining but you really dont have a chance of buying a box or case and expect to get that signature card you want.

I think it's unfair to speculate on the total dollar amounts. Everybody has a right to make a living (legally) and using the highest return is amateurish.

Yes, there is the business aspect to cards. Companies need to turn a profit to stay in business. And if anyone feels the need to concentrate on $$$, youre better off playing tattslotto.

Personally, l look at the chase concept and the quality of the product. The fact only certain retailers will stock this product adds to the Value.

No team shares means back to the good old days of collecting. hunting for what you want!

l will start with 2 cases.
Might start a chase share if there is enough interest.

Bomberman309 · Nov 4, 2017

As everyone has said so far, each to their own.

I'm a collector, not a seller.
So for me to pay $220 for a box of Select certified for example, it's not about making my money back.
I get a stack of commons, I hope like god I get a few Essendon inserts, and pray I don't pull a Josh Hill or Aaron Young signature card.

Greats of the Game represents something exciting for me as a collector.
As I said, I'm a collector, not a seller, so I'm not trying to make money on this product.
I will hope I get as many Essendon cards as I can, but if it turns out I pull a Barassi Sig, or a Royce Hart, or a Daicos, or a Carman, a Beckwith, or even a Kelvin Templeton, as a collector I will keep those cards and be pretty happy to have them in my collection.

The Reynolds cut sig is like nothing we've seen before in Australia. Only 3 of them. Has almost already become the holy grail for me being an Essendon collector.

Scorpion · Nov 5, 2017

GoMoto said:
I think it's unfair to speculate on the total dollar amounts. Everybody has a right to make a living (legally) and using the highest return is amateurish.

Yes, there is the business aspect to cards. Companies need to turn a profit to stay in business. And if anyone feels the need to concentrate on $$$, youre better off playing tattslotto.

Personally, l look at the chase concept and the quality of the product. The fact only certain retailers will stock this product adds to the Value.

No team shares means back to the good old days of collecting. hunting for what you want!

l will start with 2 cases.
Might start a chase share if there is enough interest.

good luck spending $2200 - i mean it - GOOD LUCK

Matt26 · Nov 5, 2017

back2backpremiers said:
wow what a set to collect, not from the great cards but the great quantities of cards and signatures that were billed as 'most limited release cards ever'
here are my sums, if i am wrong please amend.
number of base cards (34*260). 260 each player. 8840 base cards
number of gold base cards (34*50). 1700
century signature card (25*100). 2500
century gold signatures (25*20). 500
gold numbered non signature cards (227)
gold number signature cards (125)
enshrinement signature cards (12*25). 300
captain signature card (5*25). 125
mick malthouse tribute signature card (1). 25
d*** reynolds signature card (1). 3

total number of signature cards: 3578.
total number of common cards: (34*260) 8840.
total number of gold base cards: 1700.
gold numbered non signature cards: 227.

total number of all cards produced: 14356
total number of boxes: 3578

total money received from this series ( 3578*$140). $500,920.00 no s*** who's in it for the money, i meant fans !!

box ratios:
number of base cards (1:1.5)
gold base cards. 1:2 boxes
century signature card 1:1.5 boxes
century gold signatures 1:7 boxes
gold numbered non signature cards 1:16 boxes
gold number signature cards 1:28 boxes
enshrinement signature cards 1:12 boxes
captain signature card 1:30 boxes
mick malthouse tribute signature card 1:145 boxes
d*** reynolds signature card 1:1200 boxes

total number of boxes: 3578
total number of case: 450

well there are the sums and figures i come up with, scary isn't it.
not complaining but you really dont have a chance of buying a box or case and expect to get that signature card you want.

I think your sums are way off in terms of the money the manufacturer would be receiving from this......I doubt any of the retailers who are selling this product would be buying it for $140 it and selling it for $140. They need to be making some money off this otherwise they wouldn't be selling it.

There would have to be a wholesale price even say for arguments sake around the $100 mark......that would be $357,800 for the manufacturer if it sold out (never happens).

Now look at a lot of the Australian mainstream releases.....they can sell anywhere from 60% of the print run through to 90% of the total print run. I know for a fact one recent major sports release sold about 35% of its total boxes.

So if you take this $357,800 and say 60% of it gets sold.... that's $214,680 wholesale (to the manufacturer).

Another thing you haven't taken into account is costs........which having seen costs from some of the big manufacturers here in Australia.....id estimate this release would have cost anywhere from $80K - $150K to produce.....its a guess.

As a example, boxes like the ones Tap N Play used for the Bradman release to get made are about $10-15 a box. In this case for regal they would be looking at 3578 (if that is the number) then $10 a box equals $35,780 just for the boxes alone.

You still have signings, designs, production, pack out plus the time to get all the work done (probably 12 - 18 months work at least) to get something like this done.

Don't think it would leave as much left over as you would think. People think a lot of these companies make huge amounts of cash, its not the case. In some cases, they lose money which in business isnt your goal id imagine.

Cheers
Matt

Matt26 · Nov 5, 2017

Festa1234 said:
Wowzers that many cases and they don’t offer a wholesale price, absolute madness

I was told by one of the resellers there is a wholesale price. What it is I don't know.

I was also told by the same reseller that some people who had enquired about buying wholesale direct (because they liked the product and wanted to make money on it) then changed their tune about the product from wanting to sell it....to putting it down at every opportunity they could because they couldn't get the product cheaper and make money off it.

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