15-16 NBA Draft and Pre- Season discussion

noodles34 · Jun 23, 2015

nichj99 said:
The kings have been awful on draft night for the better part of the last 10 years.

Stauskas
McLemore
Thomas Robinson
Bismack Biyombo
Cousins
Whiteside
Thomas
Tyreke Evans
Casspi
Jason Thompson
Spencer Hawes
Quincy Douby
Francisco Garcia

How many of these have actually become something for the Kings? The jury is still out on McLemore (could end up a fringe starter in a weak draft) & Stauskas (may end up a bust considering he was top 10). But Thomas Robinson, Whiteside, Jason Thompson, Douby never panned out. Note - 28 other teams passed up Whiteside also. All they really have to show is Boogie, Isaiah Thomas (not with team), Evans (not with team), Hawes (not with team), Casspi (only makes this list because he was drafted at 23rd - only just returned to team), Garcia (not with team).

I mean, how do they expect to get out of the basement when they waste draft picks and can't attract free agents?

True. Their drafting stinks bar Boogie. But I just reckon in Thompson, McLemore, Stauskas and Williams they probably have reasonable reserves. Can probably add Landry and McCallum to that group. Collision is an ok starter but probably better suited to run the secondary group. I like Gay as a player, he's copped a fair bit just because he signed a huge contract. Just feel they had something to build with. Draft another youngster, maybe sign someone or make a good trade and they could get close. Trade Boggie and you're starting all over again. Doubt that's something the relatively new owners would be keen on. Especially when the moving into a new stadium, aren't they?

mat2323 · Jun 24, 2015

Bucks offering up mcw for anyone with a top ten pick, will be intresting to see if anyone bites, mcw must be a locker room cancer or somthing, for two teams to trade him so quick, being so young, with a pretty good upside, somthings putting teams off him.

nichj99 · Jun 24, 2015

See, I don't think MCW's ceiling is all that high at all. He has a broken jump shot, that reportedly despite a lot of work has shown no improvement, he's turn over prone and makes average at best decisions. I think he's pretty close to his ceiling already.

mat2323 · Jun 25, 2015

nichj99 said:
See, I don't think MCW's ceiling is all that high at all. He has a broken jump shot, that reportedly despite a lot of work has shown no improvement, he's turn over prone and makes average at best decisions. I think he's pretty close to his ceiling already.

In away I agree, for a top 4 pick then yep do the deal, but after that the talent drops off in a very weak draft class, it's a case of keeping a good and proven yet not going to improve much more player over a hit and miss, if Milwaukee trades him, drafts a player and he ends up being a star everyone will say Milwaukee are genius's, yet if the pick craps out and is even worse than mcw then everyone will be calling Milwaukee stupid lol, a ballsy move by the bucks because they look like their on their way back up after a long time of being crap.

drob50 · Jun 25, 2015

Portland trade Nic Batum to Charlotte for Gerald Henderson and Noah Vonleh.

Just read it, nitnsure if it's confirmed??

nichj99 · Jun 25, 2015

Yep the Batum trade is confirmed.

Luke Ridnour is off to Memphis also for the rights to Latvian big man Janis Timma.

Monta Ellis has opted out of his contract in Dallas and the mavs likely won't extend him a new deal. The Pacers or Heat are his likely destinations

nichj99 · Jun 25, 2015

Jr Smith opts out of contract
Jeremy lamb traded to the Hornets for Matt Barnes (contract)
Lakers about 80% locked in on Okafor
Kevin Love opts out as expected

mat2323 · Jun 25, 2015

nichj99 said:
Yep the Batum trade is confirmed.

Luke Ridnour is off to Memphis also for the rights to Latvian big man Janis Timma.

Monta Ellis has opted out of his contract in Dallas and the mavs likely won't extend him a new deal. The Pacers or Heat are his likely destinations

Jordan admitting they made yet another draft day mistake, legend player, bad gm/owner.

nichj99 · Jun 25, 2015

mat2323 said:
Jordan admitting they made yet another draft day mistake, legend player, bad gm/owner.

I don't see it that way. Most big guys take 2-3 years before they have any impact what so ever. The Blazers have grabbed him as insurance in the event that Aldridge leaves (insurance).

mat2323 · Jun 25, 2015

nichj99 said:
I don't see it that way. Most big guys take 2-3 years before they have any impact what so ever. The Blazers have grabbed him as insurance in the event that Aldridge leaves (insurance).

Where do you think Aldridge ends up? Dallas?

drob50 · Jun 25, 2015

This is shaping up to be a great 24hours before draft day!

I love the Batum trade for both teams! Takes some calmness and experience to the hornets and brings in some more scoring and the chance to mould a big that isn't Meyers Leonard into a good player!

nichj99 · Jun 25, 2015

mat2323 said:
Where do you think Aldridge ends up? Dallas?

I think he's almost 100% gone from Portland. His house has been up for sale for 2 weeks, so he's certainly got 1 foot out the door.

Dallas or San Antonio I think are the best chances to land his services. I'm led to believe he wants to go home to Texas.

drob50 · Jun 25, 2015

JR opting out is no biggie. He obviously wants $$ over Chips, but you can see he isn't happy with the lack of ball time he gets in their system.

K Love opting out is potentially big for Cleveland. No more talk of a sign and trade?? Will he just go and leave no impact on CLE's cap??

Monta leaving Dallas hurts them Indiana could definitely use him I think. George Hill is not a scorer and George/Ellis would be tough to stop! Espicially when Hibbert pulls his finger out and does something good again!

I thought Barnes was going to get waived and go back to LAC, but looks like OKC wanted to grab him before that happened. I guess since OKC lost Perkins they needed to top up their douche level! I hope he does help them, I want to see KD and Westbrook in the finals this year (if it isn't my Spurs)

drob50 · Jun 25, 2015

nichj99 said:
I think he's almost 100% gone from Portland. His house has been up for sale for 2 weeks, so he's certainly got 1 foot out the door.

Dallas or San Antonio I think are the best chances to land his services. I'm led to believe he wants to go home to Texas.

Dallas are rumoured to be chasing Danny Green (why the hell would you chase Danny Green lol) I don't see SA matching any high offers on him, so that could help make the decision SA was avoiding (Splitter/Green) and make some room to sign LA. The rumoured Duncan deal is supposed to be 2 yrs at $12ish mil, with only $4-5mil in the first year and with a "top up" in the next, once the TV deal ups the salary cap.

I never usually get excited about potential Spurs trades/signings though. They are always "interested" but it seems like they are just messing with the media every time! lol

hopalong · Jun 25, 2015

drob50 said:
Dallas are rumoured to be chasing Danny Green (why the hell would you chase Danny Green lol) I don't see SA matching any high offers on him, so that could help make the decision SA was avoiding (Splitter/Green) and make some room to sign LA. The rumoured Duncan deal is supposed to be 2 yrs at $12ish mil, with only $4-5mil in the first year and with a "top up" in the next, once the TV deal ups the salary cap.

I never usually get excited about potential Spurs trades/signings though. They are always "interested" but it seems like they are just messing with the media every time! lol

Danny Green is great on the Spurs, not sure how he will do elsewhere.

Spurs need to do something sooner rather than later. Gasol would be my choice, but doesn't look that likely anymore.

nichj99 · Jun 25, 2015

Matt Barnes could never go back to LAC if waived, at least for 12 months from the date of release or 1st July following the next completed season, which ever happens first. I'm pretty sure this was just a salary dump move, as his contract is only partially guaranteed for next season ($1mill) - opposed to Lamb who was on the books for $3mill so Barnes will still probably become a free agent.

My guess is the thunder will use this roster spot to bring up Huestis from the D League, who they gave a wink wink contract to last season to save them a guaranteed contract and roster spot.

I agree with the Spurs, they never make a splash - but Aldridge personality seems like a good fit for them.

Personally, by about 9.10am tomorrow I'll know what free agents I can dream of signing as a laker fan. Haha

drob50 · Jun 25, 2015

hopalong said:
Danny Green is great on the Spurs, not sure how he will do elsewhere.

Spurs need to do something sooner rather than later. Gasol would be my choice, but doesn't look that likely anymore.

Green is great, but only when he is banned from bouncing the ball. It is easy to find/create another 3 and D guys like him, especially with a system that always plays for "good to great" shots, but it is not easy to find a center that plays "vertical D" the way Splitter does. Hell even Belinelli can fill Green's spot if they convince him to play JUST the role.

I would like to see the Spurs get Galinari if he is cheap. With all of the small ball these days, it would be great to see him and Kawhi cause matchup problems for the league.

Gasol will stay a Grizzly I think. That team suits him to a tee!

nichj99 said:
Matt Barnes could never go back to LAC if waived, at least for 12 months from the date of release or 1st July following the next completed season, which ever happens first. I'm pretty sure this was just a salary dump move, as his contract is only partially guaranteed for next season ($1mill) - opposed to Lamb who was on the books for $3mill so Barnes will still probably become a free agent.

My guess is the thunder will use this roster spot to bring up Huestis from the D League, who they gave a wink wink contract to last season to save them a guaranteed contract and roster spot.

I agree with the Spurs, they never make a splash - but Aldridge personality seems like a good fit for them.

Personally, by about 9.10am tomorrow I'll know what free agents I can dream of signing as a laker fan. Haha

Yeah, I never knew the complexities of the exclusion periods. I heard recently too that there were clashes with Barnes in the locker room anyway. Surprising as he seems like such a great guy!

Lakers are primed to make a huge dent this off season.

nichj99 · Jun 25, 2015

I'm getting reports now that the Lakers & Kings have discussed trade frameworks in a deal for Cousins. Kings are reportedly asking for pick 2, Randle and Clarkson. Lakers refuse to give up both Randle and Clarkson - but very open to handing over pick 2. So we shall see.

nichj99 · Jun 25, 2015

nichj99 said:
I'm getting reports now that the Lakers & Kings have discussed trade frameworks in a deal for Cousins. Kings are reportedly asking for pick 2, Randle and Clarkson. Lakers refuse to give up both Randle and Clarkson - but very open to handing over pick 2. So we shall see.

And now ESPN is reporting it. You heard it here first, folks

drob50 · Jun 25, 2015

I'm not giving up Randle if I'm LA

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