A_Iverson_I
OzCardTrader
Ok, originally I was going to post this as a reply to the Panini petition thread, but then decided to make a separate thread as I spent a lot of time researching it. 
Westriot was saying something that UD and Topps were doing a lot of the same as well, to which I was going to respond with..
The thing is Panini were supposed to come in and be different, to give collectors what they want - heck they even had a thread here asking us what we wanted; and yet, they have failed.... miserably!
They are a little different.... but in a bad way.
Let's take a look at this thread shall we and see how they have done with the most common user feedback:
NOTE: This is not all gonna be Panini bashing below, I will acknowledge stuff they have done as well.
http://www.ozcardtrader.com.au/foru...xciting-panini-news-your-feedback-please.html
Number indicates amount of people that requested such..
(25) More On-card Autos / Less stickers - As has been said before, most people recognize that stickers are a necessary evil, however I don't think enough effort is being put in to try and reduce the amount of stickers that are being put into the products. In a recent response from Panini apparently they wait until the players come through Dallas before they get them to sign anything - ever heard of GOING TO THEM!? Additionally, stickers should NEVER be anywhere near a high-end product! I believe the latest NT has stickers..... UD for the most part understood this. Also if you didn't flood the market with so many autos and so many different products this would also reduce the amount of autos you would need to get and hence reducer stickers again.
(19) Less Autos, patches & GU - The majority of this was for LESS GU!!!! Autos and patches were mentioned too, but GU is clearly in need of a reduction! Really.... how many more pointless GU cards do we need? They aren't any special - make them special again. Come up with a nice unique design and nicely work the GU into the card design - we don't need a billion different average looking cards with a small hole for the GU shoved in at the last minute. As mentioned above, less autos will help lessen stickers also.
(19) 90's Design Inserts - This is not rocket science. Give the people what they want. People want GU / Autos to be special again and also less sticker autos; this opens the doors for you to actually spend some time designing nice quality inserts again and room for them in your products as you don't need a billion GU and autos in each product. Will we ever be given nice inserts again!? With the money you save from buying all those autos/GU jerseys surely you can invest it into the technology to develop some nice inserts!!! The only thing I fear is perhaps this process takes a lot more development time and with them wanting to release many many products a year they don't want to spend the time developing a nice looking insert and would rather product the same ol' average looking card and just shove a GU or sticker auto on it.
(17) Less Parallels - People requested this overt and over and even said if you're going to make them then at least make them worthy of being a parallel, something different. I haven't bought a lot of Panini stuff or got much of it, but from what I know nothing has changed from what Topps / UD were doing..... we've got the same old billions of parallels that hardly differentiate. Again...... the same issue comes up of them just not wanting to spend the time developing a better looking card.
(13) Redemption's - Varying comments about redemption's, mainly people saying they don't want a bar of them at all. People want the product they purchased, don't want to wait a year+ to get something they should have got when they laid out the cash or end up getting something different than what the redemption promised or even worse being screwed over with a expired redemption!!
(11) Game dated jerseys - Panini are infamous for screwing this up. They have very vague wording on the back of the cards of the origins of the enclosed "GU" peice; people requested more specifics and yet they went backwards.
(10) Range of products $ to $$$ - This is actually something Panini have done. They have cheaper products all the way up to high-end products. Well done in this area; however sometimes as mentioned above the contents in the high-end products doesn't meet the price tag (sticker autos).
(10) Less products - I know this is a business so I can't blame them too much for wanting to release many products, however at least try and put some effort into each product and be "proud" of it rather than release too many products that look the same and don't really have anything special about them.
(10) Larger Patch/GU Windows - This is something that easily could be achieved by reducing the amount of GU out there as then they could afford to use larger pieces for each card.
(5) Different types of Game Used Items - AFAIK Panini hasn't done anything like this yet. Stuff like GU nets, shoes, Draft Day Hats etc... something different!!
(4) Methods to help stop fake patches - Stuff like scanning each patch card that is made so users could look it up in a database on their site or something or measures put into the cards to make it harder to fake.
(4) Bring back interesting card backs - Again, don't own a lot of Panini cards so can't really say much on this one.
(4) Better base sets - I'm not real sure how they have gone in this one either..... anyone that is a base collector care to chime in? Something to get the kids collecting again.
(3) A greater variety of old and retired players - I think they have been making an effort of doing this, so hats off to them there.
(3) Quality Control - UD were pretty shocking at this I must say. So far I can't recall too many bad examples from Panini apart from that upside down (fake) logoman and possibly an upside down sticker.
(3) Less 1/1's - Not real sure how they have done in this area, anyone know!?
(3) Correct checklists - Not sure how they're doing here, but to restate - if you have something on your checklist you damn well better include that card in that set!
(3) Mix up the photos - Too many times we see the same action shot on different cards displayed in a different way!
(3) Continue with innovation - Well I'd say their HRX cards were a good start (love them or hate them) and a couple of people in that thread actually suggested LCD cards, so there ya go!
(3) Manufactured Patches - Less of these!!!!!! Well they certainly haven't listened here and have actually gone all the way to ruining the famed Logoman!! Well done Panini!!
(3) Prizes like player worn jersey, shoes etc via prize card - Pretty sure they have done some of this stuff, so keep it up!
(3) Series 1/2 - This is something I also miss. Perhaps instead of release 50 different products you could have a series 1/2 of a few different products and this may also help avoid some redemption's where some cards that won't be ready for series 1 could go into series 2.
Well.... they are all the main points that were brought up and as you can see not many have been implemented. Please improve Panini and maybe people wouldn't bash you so much!
Westriot was saying something that UD and Topps were doing a lot of the same as well, to which I was going to respond with..
The thing is Panini were supposed to come in and be different, to give collectors what they want - heck they even had a thread here asking us what we wanted; and yet, they have failed.... miserably!
They are a little different.... but in a bad way.
Let's take a look at this thread shall we and see how they have done with the most common user feedback:
NOTE: This is not all gonna be Panini bashing below, I will acknowledge stuff they have done as well.
http://www.ozcardtrader.com.au/foru...xciting-panini-news-your-feedback-please.html
Number indicates amount of people that requested such..
(25) More On-card Autos / Less stickers - As has been said before, most people recognize that stickers are a necessary evil, however I don't think enough effort is being put in to try and reduce the amount of stickers that are being put into the products. In a recent response from Panini apparently they wait until the players come through Dallas before they get them to sign anything - ever heard of GOING TO THEM!? Additionally, stickers should NEVER be anywhere near a high-end product! I believe the latest NT has stickers..... UD for the most part understood this. Also if you didn't flood the market with so many autos and so many different products this would also reduce the amount of autos you would need to get and hence reducer stickers again.
(19) Less Autos, patches & GU - The majority of this was for LESS GU!!!! Autos and patches were mentioned too, but GU is clearly in need of a reduction! Really.... how many more pointless GU cards do we need? They aren't any special - make them special again. Come up with a nice unique design and nicely work the GU into the card design - we don't need a billion different average looking cards with a small hole for the GU shoved in at the last minute. As mentioned above, less autos will help lessen stickers also.
(19) 90's Design Inserts - This is not rocket science. Give the people what they want. People want GU / Autos to be special again and also less sticker autos; this opens the doors for you to actually spend some time designing nice quality inserts again and room for them in your products as you don't need a billion GU and autos in each product. Will we ever be given nice inserts again!? With the money you save from buying all those autos/GU jerseys surely you can invest it into the technology to develop some nice inserts!!! The only thing I fear is perhaps this process takes a lot more development time and with them wanting to release many many products a year they don't want to spend the time developing a nice looking insert and would rather product the same ol' average looking card and just shove a GU or sticker auto on it.
(17) Less Parallels - People requested this overt and over and even said if you're going to make them then at least make them worthy of being a parallel, something different. I haven't bought a lot of Panini stuff or got much of it, but from what I know nothing has changed from what Topps / UD were doing..... we've got the same old billions of parallels that hardly differentiate. Again...... the same issue comes up of them just not wanting to spend the time developing a better looking card.
(13) Redemption's - Varying comments about redemption's, mainly people saying they don't want a bar of them at all. People want the product they purchased, don't want to wait a year+ to get something they should have got when they laid out the cash or end up getting something different than what the redemption promised or even worse being screwed over with a expired redemption!!
(11) Game dated jerseys - Panini are infamous for screwing this up. They have very vague wording on the back of the cards of the origins of the enclosed "GU" peice; people requested more specifics and yet they went backwards.
(10) Range of products $ to $$$ - This is actually something Panini have done. They have cheaper products all the way up to high-end products. Well done in this area; however sometimes as mentioned above the contents in the high-end products doesn't meet the price tag (sticker autos).
(10) Less products - I know this is a business so I can't blame them too much for wanting to release many products, however at least try and put some effort into each product and be "proud" of it rather than release too many products that look the same and don't really have anything special about them.
(10) Larger Patch/GU Windows - This is something that easily could be achieved by reducing the amount of GU out there as then they could afford to use larger pieces for each card.
(5) Different types of Game Used Items - AFAIK Panini hasn't done anything like this yet. Stuff like GU nets, shoes, Draft Day Hats etc... something different!!
(4) Methods to help stop fake patches - Stuff like scanning each patch card that is made so users could look it up in a database on their site or something or measures put into the cards to make it harder to fake.
(4) Bring back interesting card backs - Again, don't own a lot of Panini cards so can't really say much on this one.
(4) Better base sets - I'm not real sure how they have gone in this one either..... anyone that is a base collector care to chime in? Something to get the kids collecting again.
(3) A greater variety of old and retired players - I think they have been making an effort of doing this, so hats off to them there.
(3) Quality Control - UD were pretty shocking at this I must say. So far I can't recall too many bad examples from Panini apart from that upside down (fake) logoman and possibly an upside down sticker.
(3) Less 1/1's - Not real sure how they have done in this area, anyone know!?
(3) Correct checklists - Not sure how they're doing here, but to restate - if you have something on your checklist you damn well better include that card in that set!
(3) Mix up the photos - Too many times we see the same action shot on different cards displayed in a different way!
(3) Continue with innovation - Well I'd say their HRX cards were a good start (love them or hate them) and a couple of people in that thread actually suggested LCD cards, so there ya go!
(3) Manufactured Patches - Less of these!!!!!! Well they certainly haven't listened here and have actually gone all the way to ruining the famed Logoman!! Well done Panini!!
(3) Prizes like player worn jersey, shoes etc via prize card - Pretty sure they have done some of this stuff, so keep it up!
(3) Series 1/2 - This is something I also miss. Perhaps instead of release 50 different products you could have a series 1/2 of a few different products and this may also help avoid some redemption's where some cards that won't be ready for series 1 could go into series 2.
Well.... they are all the main points that were brought up and as you can see not many have been implemented. Please improve Panini and maybe people wouldn't bash you so much!
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