NRL Rumour Mill Thread (Spoilers)
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The Mad Hatter
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If they'd just stuck sucking the Fisherman's Friends, then this would never have happened.
I'm sick of this Labor government creating smoke screens & mirrors to cover up their own incompetence & destroy whatever to takes the heat away from them. They don't care for anyone or clubs as long as they are not held accountable for their actions, They are playing with peoples livelihoods & careers But this scum don't care all they want is to continue their gravy train & corrupt ways. They have nothing on most clubs or players They are just trying to bully & intimidate a result to their liking. After all the dust settles these criminals should be charged for bringing the game into disrepute. 
The Mad Hatter
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Did anyone ever consider that the NRL is protecting its $1bn TV deal?
The NRL are in business of providing 8 games of NRL to broadcasters each weekend.
And perhaps the NRL, and Cronulla, via ASADA and the investigation, know what is and isn't happening. And that means limiting, or minimising the damage via doing what they have done, then so be it.
At the end of the day, the people completely stuffed by this are the Sharkies members who pay their hard earned to support this team. The fans of the club are also stuffed along with the members because of this as well.
And it is true that the Sharks could have looked at 2013 as being a potentially good year with the players they've brought in.
I will feel sorry for ANY player who was coerced through peer pressure, or the club, to get involved in anything.
But drugs aren't new in sport. For at least 15 years, since the NRLs inception and the Newcastle busts with O'Davis, Richards and MacDougall, as well as Rodney Howe, these players are told day in day out. Let's not be naive enough to think they aren't told. Furthermore, they players all pay for managers. If the managers aren't protecting the players interests, well, who is? Ignorance is not an excuse.
The NRL are in business of providing 8 games of NRL to broadcasters each weekend.
And perhaps the NRL, and Cronulla, via ASADA and the investigation, know what is and isn't happening. And that means limiting, or minimising the damage via doing what they have done, then so be it.
At the end of the day, the people completely stuffed by this are the Sharkies members who pay their hard earned to support this team. The fans of the club are also stuffed along with the members because of this as well.
And it is true that the Sharks could have looked at 2013 as being a potentially good year with the players they've brought in.
I will feel sorry for ANY player who was coerced through peer pressure, or the club, to get involved in anything.
But drugs aren't new in sport. For at least 15 years, since the NRLs inception and the Newcastle busts with O'Davis, Richards and MacDougall, as well as Rodney Howe, these players are told day in day out. Let's not be naive enough to think they aren't told. Furthermore, they players all pay for managers. If the managers aren't protecting the players interests, well, who is? Ignorance is not an excuse.
mischap123
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With a lot of money and people involved, I'd be pretty nervous if I was one of the whistle blowers (not refs) with the whole ASADA thing. I'm sure a Underbelly type hit could occur, especially with the alleged links to "criminal gangs" and the such.
You need to stop smoking that weed it's starting to cloud you vision & thoughts.
How would you like people to start throwing bullsh!t out about your spinless dragons your just as bad as the labour stooges.
Get some facts 1st !!!!!
AyiosYiorgos
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An ill-advised confession to drug taking could lead to a life ban
Date
March 8, 2013
Jacquelin Magnay
THE Cronulla players have rightly refused to sign a legal document confessing to drug taking in return for a supposed reduction in sentence – and full pay – because such conditions are not on the table from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
The players should be seeking independent legal advice, rather than rely on a Sharks representative, who, despite his drugs background and understanding of the process, is acting in the interests of the club.
There has been an avalanche of misinformation about the sports drugs process involved in this investigation, which started with a year-long secret surveillance by the Australian Crime Commission.
The critical fallacy is that the drug was "legal" in 2011 when the players were taking it. This is wrong. Peptide hormones and their chemical cousins are banned and were also banned in 2011 under the World Anti-Doping Agency code.
Another misconception is that players who "confess" will automatically be given a reduced sentence. ASADA doesn't give unconditional guarantees about the length of sentence because each case is considered on its merits. Such a consideration for a shorter time out of the game will occur only after a player is formally charged by the ASADA for a drugs offence. And those discussions will be directly between ASADA and the player, or his legal representative, in top secrecy, not with someone appointed by the Sharks club. Such is the heavy-handed nature of the laws surrounding the ASADA Act, anyone from the Sharks administration – or the NRL – claiming to know of which players are involved and the circumstances of their drugs involvement, are committing a criminal offence.
The players should be acutely aware, too, that any reduction in the mandatory two-year drugs ban is only given in exceptional circumstances. And some players might be horrified to discover that if any of them have been caught encouraging the use of the peptides in any of the taped phone conversations, or if their abuse of the drugs was extensive and systemic, they could be classified as being traffickers and the length of their suspension may not be two years, but an end to their sporting career.
Confessing to taking drugs, sadly, is not exceptional in the sports world. However, in any deal making with ASADA, players would have to come forward with who supplied the drug, how often they were taking it and who else was taking it. Names, dates, places – all of the details – would have to be divulged.
The Sharks club has supposedly offered the carrot to players promising they will continue to be paid if they come forward – a cheaper option for the club than having to defend any breach-of-trust claims in court, but again such an offer, while tempting, is not permitted.
Earning any income from sport is illegal under the ASADA code for the length of the ban. Apart from being legally prevented from being paid, they can't be involved in any club activities, sponsor promotions or even train with teammates.
Of course the Sharks club, and indeed the other five rugby league clubs involved in this peptide drug-taking scandal, are attempting to minimise the fallout. But the players should be conscious that – just like believing club officials that the substance is OK and they won't test positive – the interests of the club can be very different from their personal circumstances.
Jacquelin Magnay is Olympics editor of the London Telegraph.
http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/lea...308-2fqvh.html
Date
March 8, 2013
Jacquelin Magnay
THE Cronulla players have rightly refused to sign a legal document confessing to drug taking in return for a supposed reduction in sentence – and full pay – because such conditions are not on the table from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
The players should be seeking independent legal advice, rather than rely on a Sharks representative, who, despite his drugs background and understanding of the process, is acting in the interests of the club.
There has been an avalanche of misinformation about the sports drugs process involved in this investigation, which started with a year-long secret surveillance by the Australian Crime Commission.
The critical fallacy is that the drug was "legal" in 2011 when the players were taking it. This is wrong. Peptide hormones and their chemical cousins are banned and were also banned in 2011 under the World Anti-Doping Agency code.
Another misconception is that players who "confess" will automatically be given a reduced sentence. ASADA doesn't give unconditional guarantees about the length of sentence because each case is considered on its merits. Such a consideration for a shorter time out of the game will occur only after a player is formally charged by the ASADA for a drugs offence. And those discussions will be directly between ASADA and the player, or his legal representative, in top secrecy, not with someone appointed by the Sharks club. Such is the heavy-handed nature of the laws surrounding the ASADA Act, anyone from the Sharks administration – or the NRL – claiming to know of which players are involved and the circumstances of their drugs involvement, are committing a criminal offence.
The players should be acutely aware, too, that any reduction in the mandatory two-year drugs ban is only given in exceptional circumstances. And some players might be horrified to discover that if any of them have been caught encouraging the use of the peptides in any of the taped phone conversations, or if their abuse of the drugs was extensive and systemic, they could be classified as being traffickers and the length of their suspension may not be two years, but an end to their sporting career.
Confessing to taking drugs, sadly, is not exceptional in the sports world. However, in any deal making with ASADA, players would have to come forward with who supplied the drug, how often they were taking it and who else was taking it. Names, dates, places – all of the details – would have to be divulged.
The Sharks club has supposedly offered the carrot to players promising they will continue to be paid if they come forward – a cheaper option for the club than having to defend any breach-of-trust claims in court, but again such an offer, while tempting, is not permitted.
Earning any income from sport is illegal under the ASADA code for the length of the ban. Apart from being legally prevented from being paid, they can't be involved in any club activities, sponsor promotions or even train with teammates.
Of course the Sharks club, and indeed the other five rugby league clubs involved in this peptide drug-taking scandal, are attempting to minimise the fallout. But the players should be conscious that – just like believing club officials that the substance is OK and they won't test positive – the interests of the club can be very different from their personal circumstances.
Jacquelin Magnay is Olympics editor of the London Telegraph.
http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/lea...308-2fqvh.html
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